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Subject Topic: MIRO ok - can I tow this? Post Reply Post New Topic
Personkatymg
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Hi
I am looking to upgrade my caravan. I don't tour, but have a seasonal pitch so only need to go pick up any new caravan and re-locate (empty) to the pitch where it will stay summer and winter. I can take any heavy awning/motor mover in the car if necessary (or a separate trip).

My car's Max Towing Weight - braked = 1300kg
The caravans I am looking at (Bailey Ranger 5 series, circa 2005 or similar)'s MIRO = 1078kg and MTPLM = 1350kg.

If I am NOT touring, but just delivering an empty caravan would this be ok? The caravan would not be laden up with anything except maybe a gas bottle so can I go on the MIRO?

Thank you,
Katy
(P.s. if anyone knows of a make/model with a lower MTPLM than Bailey Ranger with FIXED BUNKS of a similar era/price do let me know. Thank you).


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no, its over weight by 50 kgs


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Hi Katy. As I understand it, you would technically be breaking the law towing a caravan with a MTPLM of 1350kg and a car with a max towing weight of 1300kg. However, I personally would take a chance if just delivering it to a site as a one-off trip. What are the chances of being stopped? My experience suggests that you are far more likely to get stopped if something doesn't look right, such as a grossly overloaded trailer which yours clearly won't be. It's your call really.


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I think you are ok as long as the caravan doesn't weigh more than 1300kg. MIRO is a guide but might not include the weight of all items in it. eg motor mover, optional extras, spare wheel, water containers, water in water heater and toilet etc.

This is only a suggested list.

The Gross Train Weight of the car is the weight which must legally be complied with. This will be on a plate by the drivers door pillar and will be the 2nd weight down.

The top line weight will be the MAM Maximum Authorised Mass of the car and this must not be exceeded by law.

The lower two weight are the cars front and rear axle weights which must not be exceeded.


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It is the insurance aspect that should be more of a worry and I would check with the car insurance company.


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Quote: Originally posted by iank01 on 18/7/2021
It is the insurance aspect that should be more of a worry and I would check with the car insurance company.


It may get worse than simple car/trailer weight matching! I have heard (on this forum, a year or more back, IIRC) that SOME car insurers limit max trailer weights to a percentage of car's legal towing capacity, for instance not in excess of the (recommended) 85% 'rule'!

Certainly worth looking at insurance policy in detail. You really do not want to find yourself without insurance cover because they deem you broke terms of contract.


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Ok thank you for all this. I have found slightly lighter vans than Bailey but this would still be 100% ratio to MTPLM. I may just have to find a friend with a bigger car to tow it to site. Thank you all. Katy


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You don't say where you are based (Scotland is a big place)
If you put where you are you may get someone to offer on here.
DaveS1


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Quote: Originally posted by Monty15 on 18/7/2021
It may get worse than simple car/trailer weight matching! I have heard (on this forum, a year or more back, IIRC) that SOME car insurers limit max trailer weights to a percentage of car's legal towing capacity, for instance not in excess of the (recommended) 85% 'rule'!

Certainly worth looking at insurance policy in detail. You really do not want to find yourself without insurance cover because they deem you broke terms of contract.


Car insurance is only 3rd party and have heard of that restriction however some caravan insurers like Towergate restrict it to 95% of the kerbweight of the car. Any car insurance company could land up in serious trouble if they tried the 85% as it is not legislation and there is no proof that it causes accidents of going over the 85% which is now seriously outdated with modern cars.


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Great idea! I might just do that once I have sourced and bought van. I am in Edinburgh, van will be delivered to Stirling area but obviously don’t know where I will be buying it from.
Thanks so much,. Katy


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The seller or dealer may tow it for you also most sites will also collect a van for a permanent placement like a seasonal pitch.


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Katy if it's not going to move around its maybe worth considering a heavier van which would have a nice big fridge and a few mod cons,you could hire an suv or transit for a day, or pay a dealer to move it, give you much more choice

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Great idea! Thank you. 🙏


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ps I've used this company before for short 4x4 hire before i bought one. They are out by endiburgh airport

https://4x4hirescotland.co.uk/

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Hi Katy

In this case, it's the ACTUAL weight of the caravan that's relevant and NOT the MTPLM. So if your car's max towing limit is 1300kg you will be perfectly legal towing the caravan empty apart from the gas bottle (1100kg or so).

A clause from a car insurance company limiting the weight of a trailer to 95% of the car's kerb weight is not something that I have come across myself, although this thread isn't the first to mention it. However, if this was my insurance company I would be challenging it because there is absolutely no legal justification for them to include such a clause. In addition, given that it would have to apply to actual towed weights and not plated ones, I can't see how they could possibly enforce it.

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