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01/8/2022 at 3:57pm
Location: London Outfit: Lunar Cosmos 524
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13 pin sockets have been standard fitment on caravans/trailers since 2008.
One of the problems is that the 12N 7 pin socket has no provision for reversing lights (can be supplied by 12S socket if fitted), which were compulsory type approval fitment on caravan/trailers from 2012. I believe very early 12N sockets also didn't have the fog light terminal wired either, and fog lights have been around a lot longer!
Now the laws on caravans/trailers always seem a little fuzzy and people will argue to doomsday on what is applicable, some arguing that if the lights are fitted to a trailer (as in Fog and Reversing) they MUST work, others will argue it depends on what the tow car can supply. I don't know which is true or what variations there are, I don't care, my caravan has all lights fully functional on a 13 pin connector.
You can certainly get 7 pin socket to 13 pin plug adaptors quite easily, but they don't do what some people expect which is to miraculously provide full 13 pin connectivity from non-existent terminals on the 7 pin socket! - you still ONLY get basic road lights.
The fog light is an obvious safety requirement, but IMHO I feel that the reversing lights are also necessary as a warning that you are reversing, the back of a caravan is so remote from the driver and without a reversing camera for most part you have no idea from the drivers seat what is going on behind, so every indicator of your intent is a critical safety feature.
You don't say what your car is or age, but upgrading to a 13 pin socket varies in cost from budget simply changing the 7pin to a 13 pin socket with minimal existing wiring, or quite expensive fully integrated into car with all pins functional. I've found the 13 pin socket far more durable and less troublesome (it's got better waterproofing) than the old 7 pin sockets which I always seemed to need to do something to to get all the lights working, so I'd opt for it on those grounds alone, plus an adaptor just ups the contact count in the circuit to potentially cause more problems!
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01/8/2022 at 6:18pm
Location: East Herts Outfit: 1992 Elddis Wisp 450CT + X Trail
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A lot I would agree with there Monty15, although I must admit I have never had the problems others seem to have had with 7 pin plugs and sockets. I have towed numerous different trailers with several different vehicle, and all using 7 pin systems.
Thanks for letting us know when 13 pin became standard, I'll try and remember that for future reference.
Years ago in the early 1970s, I used the blue wire in a 7 pin plug which was previously unused, to charge my caravan's battery via a split-charging system that I "invented". I had never seen one before, and neither had anyone else I showed it to. It had a 12 volt relay connecting the caravan and car batteries together, and that was energised from the accessory terminal of my Mk2 Cortina. By the time I returned to caravanning in 2013 the blue wire was no longer spare, but it didn't matter as by then most sites had EHU, which had been virtually unknown back in the 1980s, certainly on the sites I used. I could charge my battery on site.
I don't know what is currently applicable to trailer lights either. All I know is that my caravan doesn't have reversing lights, and I'm not sure that it has fog lights either. Were they fitted in the 1990s, I don't know.
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01/8/2022 at 7:11pm
Location: London Outfit: Lunar Cosmos 524
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Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 01/8/2022
A lot I would agree with there Monty15, although I must admit I have never had the problems others seem to have had with 7 pin plugs and sockets. I have towed numerous different trailers with several different vehicle, and all using 7 pin systems.
Thanks for letting us know when 13 pin became standard, I'll try and remember that for future reference.
Years ago in the early 1970s, I used the blue wire in a 7 pin plug which was previously unused, to charge my caravan's battery via a split-charging system that I "invented". I had never seen one before, and neither had anyone else I showed it to. It had a 12 volt relay connecting the caravan and car batteries together, and that was energised from the accessory terminal of my Mk2 Cortina. By the time I returned to caravanning in 2013 the blue wire was no longer spare, but it didn't matter as by then most sites had EHU, which had been virtually unknown back in the 1980s, certainly on the sites I used. I could charge my battery on site.
I don't know what is currently applicable to trailer lights either. All I know is that my caravan doesn't have reversing lights, and I'm not sure that it has fog lights either. Were they fitted in the 1990s, I don't know.
Think most of my 7 pin towing was done with 'hostile environments' involved, mostly towing boats, so lots of water around, fresh and sea! If not a boat, probably a rarely used trailer where the plug had had plenty of time to corrode to some degree or other between uses. Used to spend/waste a lot of time faffing with dodgy 7 pin plugs, even though efforts made to keep moisture out of the connectors with water repellents! Five years of 13 pin on caravan, and good to go every single time I've plugged it in.
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01/8/2022 at 11:00pm
Location: East Herts Outfit: 1992 Elddis Wisp 450CT + X Trail
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Quote: Originally posted by Monty15 on 01/8/2022
Think most of my 7 pin towing was done with 'hostile environments' involved, mostly towing boats, so lots of water around, fresh and sea! If not a boat, probably a rarely used trailer where the plug had had plenty of time to corrode to some degree or other between uses. Used to spend/waste a lot of time faffing with dodgy 7 pin plugs, even though efforts made to keep moisture out of the connectors with water repellents! Five years of 13 pin on caravan, and good to go every single time I've plugged it in.
I did tow a few boats on trailers, but only to launch on rivers and lakes, never the sea. I also towed box trailers and car transporter trailers on car recoveries, as well as caravans and small open trailers. The last ones were always the worst. Occasionally had to jiggle the plug in the socket or as a last resort give it a quick spray with WD40. Not tried 13 pin I must admit, and I probably never will now, unless some rich uncle who I've never heard of leaves me a fortune.
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Colin
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