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via mobile 10/1/2023 at 10:05pm
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Quote: Originally posted by macquatic on 10/1/2023
Yep, I was virtually guaranteed a reply from a die hard electric fan!
Anyway, the article isn't "Click Bait" in my view. Public rapids are all over and if you want to get somewhere (in reasonable time), they would need to be used.
The article is about charging whilst doing longer journeys, not charging your EV at home!
Define “longer journey”. 1 hour of driving? 2 hours? 4 hours? 6 hours? More? Mine will do between 4 and 5 hours driving 200 to
250 miles(if I am careful) between charges. Many EVs will do over 300 (6 hours) between charges. For “regular” purposes, 200 miles covers 90% of my travel. The other 10% is at _worst case_ the same cost as diesel or petrol.
But even if all my journeys were 400 miles (8 hours), I would still only pay an average of close to half the figures the paper quotes, because half of my charging would be from home at low cost.
The article is playing on the worst case scenario and making a noise about it.
I wouldn’t describe myself as a die hard electric fan. I acknowledge there are cases where they don’t make sense or work yet. If you can’t charge at home and drive 300 miles a day, or tow long distances every day, or tow 90% of the time - the charging network is not up to the job.
But I will also challenge poor journalism that picks on tough cases as the norm, and challenge them with my own experience and evidence. If you want to examine the worst case, then fine. It costs what the article says. But if you examine something closer to real life, it’s just doesn’t stack up.
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11/1/2023 at 11:44am
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So, in your opinion what is a "long" and what is a "short" journey? If my understanding is so way off base as to be laughable, help me out with what the "rest of the world" thinks is a long, short or average journey? Or do you want to pretend that the "truth" painted by the Telegraph is the only real view of the world (because I can assure you it does not match my world at all).
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11/1/2023 at 4:37pm
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As someone who never reads newspapers and hasn't done for years I have no idea what the Telegraph said, but for me a short journey is anything form a couple of miles through to about 20 miles. Over 20 miles but under 150 miles is average and much over 150 miles these days is a long journey, but this is simply due to age. There was a time when I would have quite happily driven a coach from Norfolk to Edinburgh and back in a day and did so several times, but not anymore. I rarely do more than 150 miles in a day now, so an EV would be fine for me but a suitable one is still way beyond affordable, and I doubt they ever will be so while I am still driving. Stick with what I've got and make it last as long as possible is my principle.
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12/1/2023 at 1:06pm
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Another article about EV costings. Verified by the RAC and WLTP testing, so wouldn't imagine being scaremongering or "click bait".
Average cost of rapid charging and infrastructure data
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12/1/2023 at 2:14pm
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The title is more or less accurate. I would phrase it as "Public rapid charging is roughly the same cost as filling up with petrol or diesel".
As the article makes clear, costs vary depending on which network you use, just as they do depending on which fuel station you use.
Is the article click bait? I consider it to be so - yes. Why? Because the headline sensationalises the cost of rapid charging, and suggests that as the main cost of running an EV. But it isn't as the article its self points out. If you scroll about 15 "pages" down you get to the section "locations of charging" and specifically "base". Here - hidden near the bottom of the article is the revelation that this is where the majority of charging happens, and it's usually the cheapest way. If fails to go as far as saying it costs as little as 1/10th of the rapid cost, and can even be free if you have solar panels.
But the headline "On average, EVs are still far cheaper to "fuel" than petrol or diesel cars, even with the rising cost of electricty" is not sensational enough.
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If I could afford an electric car I would buy one tomorrow.
I could charge at home and at the most, for the distances I drive, I would only need to use public chargers once possibly twice per year when I drive to France on holiday.
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12/1/2023 at 7:29pm
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The articles linked to don't represent the average motorist, they just emphasise the cost comparison for long trips which are not the norm for most car owners.
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12/1/2023 at 7:58pm
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Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 12/1/2023
If I could afford an electric car I would buy one tomorrow.
I could charge at home and at the most, for the distances I drive, I would only need to use public chargers once possibly twice per year when I drive to France on holiday.
saxo1
I'm the same, it's the initial cost that stops me buying one. I'm ideally placed to charge one at home and I doubt I'd use a public charger except when on holiday, although my holidays are always in Britain these days.
However, the cheapest EV that is suitable for me is many thousands more £ than I could ever afford. Probably 4 or 5 times what I paid for my X Trail, and even that took me over my limit really.
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Closure of battery company and hence non-building of Northumbria factory "could harm plans for 2030 petrol and diesel ban".
Basically saying that the UK needs "several" battery factories when it has one, in Sunderland.
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