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via mobile 24/7/2024 at 4:27pm
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We have just bought a caravan and it has a 13 pin electrics, our car didn't have tow electrics so we had the bar and 13 pin electrics fitted. When we got to the car and hooked up, the control panel said tow car 12.4v .. but when we turned on the fridge everything cut out, although the trip switches didn't trip, we are not sure if when hooked up you can turn the interior lights on ( for when parked in layby for a brew)? But they don't work either. In fact there is a " click sound" from behind the fridge / microwave above , and the control panel goes out. .
The place where we got the caravan from say it's the car wiring, and the wiring people say it's the caravan wiring that is the problem.. we have had the car tested and its ok, ( no fuses blown ) so it must be the caravan , could it be either the actual plug ( on the tow hitch ) or something more sinister behind the fridge / microwave??. The fridge works ok on gas and mains electric. .
Can someone please help us as we want to go " off grid" but obviously need to charge the battery plus work the fridge when driving,...( Have we got to unplug from the two car just to get the interior lights to work when stopped for the brew?) ..
Thank you so much ( in advance).

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normally when you plug the car into the caravan the only thing the 12s supplies power to was the fridge, the battery - to charge it and the reversing lights. i am not sure with the 13 pin but cant imagine its any different only all in one plug instead of 2. the car needs to be over 1500 revs for it to power the 12s/13 pins socket hence why you got 12.4 reading, as you wherent reving the car

as for you going off grid, well the fridge needs to be cooled down fully before connecting up the caravan, so if at home you have a choice of either plug the power in at home, or use the gas to power the fridge and then turn off before driving and repluging back in, the 12v supply is only enough power to maintain, it wont cool down unless you drove to the south of france in one hit!

if you want lights on when stopping then you have to do as the rest of on the old system do and unplug from the car and turn on the control board to run off the leisure battery, dont forget to put the 12s back in and make sure you have turned off the control board


24/7/2024 at 9:44pm
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Normally there is a habitation relay to isolate the caravan habitation electrics while towing for safety.

So,

Caravan plugged into car and engine running:-   caravan lights etc won't work at all, fridge works on 12volt from the car alternator as long as the fridge is set to do that and the caravan battery will charge from the car alternator.

Caravan plugged into car and engine NOT running:-   caravan lights etc work from car battery, fridge only work on gas using 12volt control only from the car battery as long as the fridge is set to do that and the caravan battery does nothing.

Caravan unplugged from car with no mains electric connected:-   caravan 12 volt lights etc work from caravan battery, fridge works on gas using 12volt control from caravan battery as long as the fridge is set to do that.

Caravan unplugged from car with mains electric connected:- caravan 12 volt lights etc work from caravan battery, fridge works either on gas using 12volt control from caravan battery or from mains electric depending on how the fridge is set.




via mobile 24/7/2024 at 9:52pm
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Thank you both of you , that explains and helps a lot . 👍👍👏👏

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We have a dodgy fridge when driving so we have stopped even bothering with it.   A couple of days before we go away, we freeze 2 big bottles of mineral water and pop them in the fridge when we set off. They keep everything cold until we arrive at our destination and either get the EHU plugged in or get the gas on.

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25/7/2024 at 1:58pm
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I'm not at all sure where the 'urban myth' started about caravan fridges NOT cooling when powered by 12v from the tow car!
Technically there is no reason to support that, the 12v heater is a similar power rating to the 240v EHU one and they work well enough on that! Nothing in any user manual I've ever seen suggests they don't cool on 12v, nor that it's a lesser cooling effect!

What 'can' influence the cooling of the fridge is the 'jiggling about' in transit and the angle of operation from the usual nose down stance of a hitched caravan which will likely compromise it's operational efficiency. Absorption fridges are very intolerant of operating far from perfectly level, 5 or 6 degrees off and they are compromised or even non-functional!

I'd bet the biggest 'cause' of the mythical non-cooling is something nearly everyone seems to overlook, REGARDLESS of power source, Absorption type fridges are painfully slow to cool down to operating temp! Up to 12 hours required before suitable for food storage! … AND they are only recommended for ambient temps up to 32C - tow a caravan with all the windows and roof vents shut tight (and it would be reckless to do otherwise!) and the interior temp can get pretty toasty, which further compromises the fridge! I bet most people stop for a break on their journeys, with the car engine off the power to the fridge is also off, so there'll be up to an hour say, where the fridge is NOT cooling but actually warming up! How many of you drive non-stop 8-12 hour journeys to give the fridge TIME to chill!!!!

So hitch it to a car, tip it at a compromising angle, jiggle it about, put it in a overheated environment, remove the cooling power and let it warm for a significant time, don't give it much 'in operation' time, and people make statements that 'they don't work' on 12v!- They DO, but they are battling hard against hostile operating conditions!

With mine, I don't have an option to pre-chill my fridge before a journey, van is in a storage yard without power, and gas operation in storage is banned, so it HAS to start it's chilling down from scratch when hitched to the car 12v, and it works perfectly well EVERY time, and has done for 6 years now! TBF, most of my journeys are quite long (10.5 hours on the road is the longest so far!) and 5 or 6 hours is pretty much normal, which gives time for noticeable cooling to happen - well on the way to being usable, and totally worthwhile doing.

Absolutely nothing wrong with giving it a helping hand with frozen water bottles etc., but I'd be cautious with all that weight loose in the fridge (pack them to stop movement), serious risk of doing some damage as they move in transit, AND I certainly wouldn't put them in the door shelves, they are not all that robust themselves, but the extra DYNAMIC weight (bouncing in transit) in the door could exacerbate the weak-worn-broken hinge/dodgy catch problems that seem to afflict some owners. 1L of water weighs 1Kg!

Back to tow bar electrics! The 12S and 13 pin plugs/sockets also power the ATC (AL-KO Trailer Control) if you have it fitted.
Life has got more complicated with modern cars, many have 'smart alternators' which only operate on overrun or when battery voltage drops and needs topping up, this can affect if and when power is supplied to the caravan, the fridge and charger may not work very well.

It seems many electric tow cars DONT have the towbar auxiliary power pins wired at all, so no fridge, no battery charging, no ATC power!


via mobile 25/7/2024 at 3:47pm
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I'm with Monty here. Never had any trouble with the fridge not cooling when engine is running.
I think that some tow bar fitters don't connect the fridge and battery charging pins.
DaveS1


via mobile 25/7/2024 at 4:01pm
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Again, thank you all for your helpful input , it's much appreciated 👍

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25/7/2024 at 4:04pm
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Quote: Originally posted by DaveS1 on 25/7/2024
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I think that some tow bar fitters don't connect the fridge and battery charging pins.
DaveS1



That's a certainty, and you often have to specifically ASK for a fully wired installation!

I can see why in some cases, pal of mine fitted his own tow bar to a not too old Volvo, when it came to providing power for the permanently live (13 pin socket) pin (for ATC, not fridge/charger), he had to run a cable direct to the battery, as no suitable points to break into car wiring harness - took him longer to do that single cable (all properly routed and grommeted where necessary, and hidden behind trim) than the rest of the installation! He's a professional maintenance man (in fact leader of the team), so no amateur best guessing and learning as he goes, and far from his first tow bar installation.


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On our 1999 Bailey Ranger the mains element was 100 watt and the 12 volt element was 50 watts.


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Quote: Originally posted by Pixie_Hez on 25/7/2024
We have a dodgy fridge when driving so we have stopped even bothering with it.   A couple of days before we go away, we freeze 2 big bottles of mineral water and pop them in the fridge when we set off. They keep everything cold until we arrive at our destination and either get the EHU plugged in or get the gas on.



That is similar to what we do. Our caravan is fitted with a mains-only domestic fridge, so no possibility of it working on a journey. The caravan is kept at home so I plug it in to our home supply the day before we go. I have by then frozen some ice-packs in our freezer. Once the caravan fridge has started to become cool we start to put in it the things we are taking with us. Just before we disconnect the caravan from the mains at home ready to depart, we transfer the ice-packs from our home freezer. The caravan fridge is then locked shut for the journey and it isn't opened again until we have plugged in the EHU on the site. Works fine for us.


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