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06/5/2008 at 8:13pm
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I can vouch for the performance of the Norfolk Lake in gale force winds! We camped on the South coast just before Easter on the day that all cross channel ferries were halted! We were prepared with a few extra guys and delta's all round, and and the NL held firm no problem, which is more than I can say for 4 or 5 of the caravan awnings that were flying around the site!

I can imagine that more lightweight tunnels would be vunerable in high winds, but the added weight of the canvas, strong poles, and that all important horizontal cross brace means that the NL (and BL's) perform really well!


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Hi bernie.
As far as I know all tunnel tents have two point guying it just does not attach high enough to the top of the tent.
But this is not what this post is about.
The ideal position for a tent guy is at the top of the tent, for a tent that as a multiple pole system. I myself would prefer the Cabanon biscay but I would worry if the wind moved to blow into the mouth of it, Just two guys to stop it going over.
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06/5/2008 at 8:35pm
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Quote: Originally posted by lentrott on 06/5/2008
I can vouch for the performance of the Norfolk Lake in gale force winds! We camped on the South coast just before Easter on the day that all cross channel ferries were halted! We were prepared with a few extra guys and delta's all round, and and the NL held firm no problem, which is more than I can say for 4 or 5 of the caravan awnings that were flying around the site!

I can imagine that more lightweight tunnels would be vunerable in high winds, but the added weight of the canvas, strong poles, and that all important horizontal cross brace means that the NL (and BL's) perform really well!

Hi len
Gales at sea are far worse than the land gales, and storm force winds will stop ferries sailing.
Check out the beaufort scale and you will see what I mean. But I am talking about wind not tents, there is not a family tent made that will stand up to a storm with force ten winds over 6o mph without additional equipment.
I hope all that camped this weekend, had a good camp we are off in the morning for two weeks.
All the best and good night
Rex.
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06/5/2008 at 9:25pm
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Quote: Originally posted by rexgrant on 06/5/2008
The ideal position for a tent guy is at the top of the tent, for a tent that as a multiple pole system.

The top is the ideal position on a ridge tent but not on a tunnel tent.

The poles of a tunnel tent are designed to flex, if they cannot flex they will break.  The loading should be equally supported around the hoop in order to allow the required movement and to retain the integrity of the structure.

Your idea of a net would not provide any support to the top of the tent.  Support cannot be transmitted around a curved pole to the top of the tent.  It would provide a certain amount of support to the pole at the point at which the guy left the arc of the hoop, provided that it was fixed to prevent it sliding around the hoop, but there would normally be a guy attached close to that point anyway.



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I agree Bertie, I don't think the net would add any stabilty beyond the possibility of in effect, raising the guying points.

At first though the idea of the net might suggest that it would help maintain the integrity of the shape of the dome.  Unfortunatly the loss of shape in real world conditions is from inward bowing of the side of the structure.  The net could only resist outward bowing, might be good for a bouncy castle.  :)

 



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07/5/2008 at 8:33am
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I'm inclined to agreee with Rex that this wold work, to a point.

We have a very good tunnel tent, which, given our inclination to camp either very high up, or on the edge of the sea/cliffs, has proved itself to be very strong and reliant. The Quechua has good strong fabric, strong guys (double guy points), and an internal pole structure, which lets the tent stand up even with no guys (sometimes we forget to remove them!)

As Kirsty said though, we had serious storms in Westward Ho!, and when we abandoned camp due to my youngest daughter's Asthma taking off, it took a serious beating in the 20 hours we were gone. (Two weeks before the wind took the top of a caravan there we later learnt).

This time, camping in a low outcrop, five metres from the beach, I could't figure out why the tent was responding badly, billowing in at the sides, until I found one pole snapped along it's length. To support it I used my clingongs to add two higher guy points to the tent, on the snapped pole line, and this added an amazing amount of security, and stopped the billowing in completely, even having lost some of the pole rigidity through the snap.

It was only the back of our tent that bowed, as the front has very high guying to hold it up, and the back guy point is on the end of the internal poles. It made a huge difference to the inward bowing - (we've not had any difficulties with ourward bowing)), simply by adding a little more structure at the back of the tent, in the same way that it has at the front.

While we don't normally have problems with the tent caving in, we have seen the tent wobble in the highest winds, when they hit the tent in the right direction (nearly side on). I'm sure addng higher up guys in the event of a high storm would provide a little extra stability, whilst still allowing the tent the flexibility it needs. Not sure though about how much the Net would pull down on the top.
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07/5/2008 at 9:12am
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Hi all.
We are off in ten minutes when val is ready
Well the net Idea is only a theory, and untested on a tent. But they are commonly used in transport to support heavy awkward loads, farmers use them to transport high loads of straw and hay. but I think it would help in a gale but it is important to explain to campers why you do not think it will work in layman's terms, because if you are only guessing that you don't think it will work, you could put a camper off giving it a try, who may want to help keep is family safe in a storm.
See you all in two weeks all been well.
All the best
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07/5/2008 at 10:06am
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wouldnt  the net  abbrade the tent at   stress  points  with  movement ?  I  would  imagine it  would  in  tight spots


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Nets used in transport are to catch the odd bit of cargo which may fall of the vehicle. They aren't meant to protect the shape and integrity of the load.


07/5/2008 at 12:46pm
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........... Good afternoon everyone.

Next year ( still at planning stage), I shall be camping in Wales for a month at Glyn Y Mul Farm, near Neath using 2 very large ex-army ridge tents plus other um, bits of canvas.  The wind factor obviously is of a major concern.

I've recently been in touch, however, with old Sir Frank Beaufort (via the Ouija board) and he recommended to me that apart from employing the usual storm guys, erecting good quality wind-breaks (the ones with guys and pegs) and angle them so that when the gale hits them they will deflect the said gale up over and Bob's your Uncle.  Sir Frank further advises to use storm guys on the wind-breaks too!

I had the timerity to ask him whether he knows what he's on about and he told me to eff off!

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hiya rex,

the pole lengh ways is a good idea alot of the newer ones have these,my old faithful outwell everest tunnel does not but few years ago in trearder bay we woke to the top of the tent bent that much that the pole was touching our pillows we nearly died but sat it out and oh went round and tightened all the ropes etc and the next morning it was torrential rain and storms.But im planning on going away in our little tunnel next bank holiday as oh cant get friday off so not attempting pitchiong my georgia for 3 nights at 9pm at night.

My tunnel tent i trust far more than brand new georgia.

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