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02/6/2015 at 2:38pm
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So how to use your fridge on gas inside a tent?..My advice, not inside a sealed tent, ie with a sewn in ground sheet & a small sig tent even worse.

If you look at campers setups they will often have gas fridge inside tent canopy or in separate utility tent, I would say that larger tent with separate groundsheet in living area with gap around bottom then ok for gas fridge, inside zipped up sig tent no.




OK thanks for that Billy - makes sense!!



02/6/2015 at 5:23pm
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I am utterly terrified of carbon monoxide poisoning - I make hubby completely unhook the gas bottle (only thing we have of gas) and move it as far as he can from the tent - same with the bbq - I make him douse it with water and move it as far as he can from the tent... to think what could happen *shudders* - its far too scary to take risks ....

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02/6/2015 at 5:25pm
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Hiya, there is some good advice on this warning page

Plus you can print out the poster to display on your tent or ask the campsites to display in reception / toilets, etc.

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Quote: Originally posted by Billy x on 02/6/2015
Quote: Originally posted by OliverDay on 02/6/2015
Complete combustion, in a gas fridge with a nice blue flame, results in harmless carbon dioxide and water.


Sorry, bad advice to post on a forum. Gas stove burns with a nice blue flame & yet go to sleep with that burning in a sealed tent & you won't wake up.


That's not advice in my post that is fact. You have changed the appliance to a gas stove and added the sealed tent which due to the oxygen drain would mean there was then incomplete combustion.

Yes normal gas appliances in caravans, tents, houses and other enclosed spaces will become dangerous if the ventilation for those appliances are blocked.

Folk need to understand the difference between complete and incomplete combustion to stop them becoming paranoid over the appliances they can use correctly.


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Quote: Originally posted by OliverDay on 02/6/2015
Folk need to understand the difference between complete and incomplete combustion to stop them becoming paranoid over the appliances they can use correctly.



Whilst it's technically true that correctly setup gas appliance is of minimal risk, not a lot needs to happen for it to start burning incorrectly (i.e. lack of ventilation, incorrect adjustment etc.), or for the flame to go out, resulting in your tent filling up with unburned gas, and then you and your tent companions will probably die.

So, whilst the scientist in me can see where you're coming from, I still don't feel that advising people to use gas appliances in tents is very wise. Such advice assumes that people and equipment are both infallible and we all know they aren't.



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03/6/2015 at 6:35pm
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You need to understand the difference between complete and incomplete combustion -
BBC bitesize

Complete combustion, in a gas fridge with a nice blue flame, results in harmless carbon dioxide and water.

Incomplete combustion, from a BBQ or fire with smouldering embers, results in harmful carbon monoxide, carbon and water.

Any flame or smouldering ember with incomplete combustion is dangerous because the carbon monoxide produced is a poisonous gas.


does this mean that the little gas powered heaters you can buy are fine for indoor use? I read another thread which said they are not


03/6/2015 at 8:08pm
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Quote: Originally posted by mighty-mondo on 03/6/2015



You need to understand the difference between complete and incomplete combustion -
BBC bitesize

Complete combustion, in a gas fridge with a nice blue flame, results in harmless carbon dioxide and water.

Incomplete combustion, from a BBQ or fire with smouldering embers, results in harmful carbon monoxide, carbon and water.

Any flame or smouldering ember with incomplete combustion is dangerous because the carbon monoxide produced is a poisonous gas.



does this mean that the little gas powered heaters you can buy are fine for indoor use? I read another thread which said they are not



Do you mean catalytic heaters like the Coleman BlackCat?

If so then they don't produce a burning flame so don't produce carbon monoxide. However, they were subject to a test in the USA where oxygen was severely depleted. That said, the test was in a sealed room so it would be unlikely that you would see oxygen depletion in a tent with plenty of ventilation.

The same rules apply though, understand the risks and be careful how you use it.


03/6/2015 at 8:17pm
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Quote: Originally posted by glampingtime on 03/6/2015
Quote: Originally posted by OliverDay on 02/6/2015Folk need to understand the difference between complete and incomplete combustion to stop them becoming paranoid over the appliances they can use correctly.



Whilst it's technically true that correctly setup gas appliance is of minimal risk, not a lot needs to happen for it to start burning incorrectly (i.e. lack of ventilation, incorrect adjustment etc.), or for the flame to go out, resulting in your tent filling up with unburned gas, and then you and your tent companions will probably die.

So, whilst the scientist in me can see where you're coming from, I still don't feel that advising people to use gas appliances in tents is very wise. Such advice assumes that people and equipment are both infallible and we all know they aren't.





I don't think he was advising people to use gas appliances.

He is saying that people need to understand how carbon monoxide is produced.





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