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05/8/2016 at 11:23pm
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I might be a Luddite, Katieep, but I also know that there are many places that mobile phones don't have coverage, in which case, knowing your GPS location isn't always helpful - I suggest you ask many of the Scottish Mountain Rescue teams.
The comment was not directed at the OP and I agree that if it makes her more comfortable by using the phone app, I have no problem with that. Where there is a problem is that, if someone thinks it's okay (and unfortunately a lot do) to go on a hike without telling someone responsible where they are going and expected return time and totally rely on technology, it could and has ended in tragedy. It's the general issue I was remarking on, not the OP or her need to feel safe.
Just in case ANYONE thinks I'm being facetious, I've spent nearly 48 hours supporting search and rescue teams on one occasion in the last two years for someone who had no map or compass but relied on GPS and the mobile had no signal. There was around 50 people whose lives were disrupted trying to save the life of this person.
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06/8/2016 at 4:15pm
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Quote: Originally posted by ficklejade on 05/8/2016
I might be a Luddite, Katieep, but I also know that there are many places that mobile phones don't have coverage, in which case, knowing your GPS location isn't always helpful - I suggest you ask many of the Scottish Mountain Rescue teams.
The comment was not directed at the OP and I agree that if it makes her more comfortable by using the phone app, I have no problem with that. Where there is a problem is that, if someone thinks it's okay (and unfortunately a lot do) to go on a hike without telling someone responsible where they are going and expected return time and totally rely on technology, it could and has ended in tragedy. It's the general issue I was remarking on, not the OP or her need to feel safe.
Just in case ANYONE thinks I'm being facetious, I've spent nearly 48 hours supporting search and rescue teams on one occasion in the last two years for someone who had no map or compass but relied on GPS and the mobile had no signal. There was around 50 people whose lives were disrupted trying to save the life of this person.
I would never go out without a compass and a map and am totally capable of using them as phones canbe dropped, run out of charge, etc.
However, in your post above I think you are talking old style phones with assisted gps. Modern phones are equipped with proper gps and will work fine without a mobile signal - I repeat you do not need a mobile signal for the gps to work on your phone (unless its really old!). The maps are downloaded to your phone too so you don't need a signal to see the maps either. So a phone works as a map regardless of if you have a mobile signal.
I agree if you get into trouble you are not going to be able to phone for help if you can't get a phone signal but that equally applies if you are using a paper or electronic map! If however you are using an electronic map and have a phone signal you can provide a good accurate location probably better than you could with a paper map.
Not telling someone where you are going if you are going for a difficult walk in the mountains, is a stupid thing to do regardless of whether you are using an electronic or paper map.
I found an excellent explanation here: http://www.walkhighlands.co.uk/safety/gps-smartphones.shtml
Along with a fab quote 'The root cause of getting lost is usually a lack of adequate navigation skills, no matter what technology is being used. In many cases, walkers do not have the skills to read a map or navigate effectively.'
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11/8/2016 at 1:05am
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Quote: Originally posted by fran1000 on 09/8/2016
That sounds rather good, I'll look into downloading it tonight.
I'm a map and compass girl, though. It was one of the few useful things I learned at school - that and first aid.
Well, don't have an android phone but every little helps!
We did map and compass at school too but had already been taught that before I went to primary - my old Dad said I read maps before I read books - probably because I was given maps to keep me occupied on the long journey with the caravan from Essex to the Cairngorms on the old A1/A9; that and being encouraged to look out for landmarks, etc.!! Plus being taught loads of things about finding north when in mist, basic safety and yes, first aid, and aided by, inherited from somewhere, a large spatial ability in my brain. Very handy when you have to take major detours as you have a mental map, but a total PITA as your mates say, well you'll work it out. I've got a mate who is fantastic on things like Memory map - I can't do that - and can find their way on remote forestry and other tracks using it - but gets invariably lost on the way back - brains are amazing.
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