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Subject Topic: Pitching - Fly sheet vs Inner
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22/2/2007 at 3:18pm
 Location: Hadleigh Essex
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I think you feel  more comfortable in an inner first tent...also SIG keeps out those creepy crawlies as you will see them between fly sheet and inner......


22/2/2007 at 3:33pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Teloz on 21/2/2007
I think the confusion occurs because most (but not all) "inner first" tents have a SIG and are considered to be more draught proof or "cosy", whereas most "fly first" tents do not, apart from the SIGs on the bedrooms. This usually means that the living area has a separate ground sheet. On the other hand, a properly erected "fly first" tent with the mud walls turned under and the ground sheet laid over them is very nearly as snug as an "inner first" tent with a SIG. I won't go into the pros and cons of each as they have been discussed at length in other threads ad nauseum.
Inner-first tents have a complete separate inner (ie SIG, walls, roof) which is pitched and then covered over with a separate flysheet, hence they are often described as cosier inside because they have a gap between the sealed inner and the flysheet and so this air gap can make them warmer in winter and cooler in summer, also you can't see (or feel) the condensation, which often occurs on the interior of synthetic tents.


22/2/2007 at 9:31pm
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Quote: Originally posted by darren charm on 22/2/2007
I think you feel more comfortable in an inner first tent...also SIG keeps out those creepy crawlies as you will see them between fly sheet and inner......


Of course the flip side is many of us find inner first SIG's airless and oppressive...

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22/2/2007 at 10:13pm
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And take up more space to dry if you have to do it indoors.

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22/2/2007 at 10:44pm
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Quote: Originally posted by PigletandTigger on 22/2/2007
Quote: Originally posted by darren charm on 22/2/2007
I think you feel more comfortable in an inner first tent...also SIG keeps out those creepy crawlies as you will see them between fly sheet and inner......


Of course the flip side is many of us find inner first SIG's airless and oppressive...
Really ? I find that surprising ? did you have a look at an Aspen ,never seen a brighter airier  tent ,every vent ,window ,door ect has the choice of open/closed/clear plastic or mesh !

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22/2/2007 at 10:46pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Guillemot on 22/2/2007
And take up more space to dry if you have to do it indoors.

Never been a problem ,if it rains ,stay another day!

Nah honestly we stayed 2 weeks in Wales last year ,it rained every single day ,when we packed up it stopped for an hour ,and that was all it needed ,bone dry!



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22/2/2007 at 11:00pm
 Location: Norwich
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Well you are lucky Skatty. I was away last week and even tho the weather was dry, and sunny, the tent didn't dry out from its covering of frost from the night before. Just not warm enough.

 



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22/2/2007 at 11:07pm
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I think a lot depend of the fabric of the tent and the degree of waterproofing ,On my Vango and the Coleman ,water just does not sit on hte tent atall ,the fabric never even gets wet ,the water bobbles and runs off quickly ! My Outwell is not like this ,you can visably see the fabric is wet and it takes a while to dry!

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22/2/2007 at 11:16pm
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Mine was the Khyam tourer 200. The weather was just too cold. The fabric wasn't wet as such, but the droplets just sat there.

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23/2/2007 at 10:46pm
 Location: Brierley Hill. West Midlands
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I don't find pitching my inner first a problem, the biggest problem is when most sites want you to vacate your pitch by a certain time and it is pouring with rain. You get both the inner and the flysheet soaking wet and is a waste of time trying to get back in its bag and have to somehow get them both into a already packed car. Also the windows are steamed up all the way home.

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24/2/2007 at 9:23am
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We have both here to, Aztec Cantera (Inner Pitch first), Outwell Montana 6. Never had problems with either and are great tents, but we prefer the ease of pitching the Monty all in one especially good when its wet.


24/2/2007 at 10:16am
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Quote: Originally posted by Skatty on 22/2/2007
Quote: Originally posted by PigletandTigger on 22/2/2007
Quote: Originally posted by darren charm on 22/2/2007
I think you feel more comfortable in an inner first tent...also SIG keeps out those creepy crawlies as you will see them between fly sheet and inner......


Of course the flip side is many of us find inner first SIG's airless and oppressive...
Really ? I find that surprising ? did you have a look at an Aspen ,never seen a brighter airier tent ,every vent ,window ,door ect has the choice of open/closed/clear plastic or mesh !


I'm talking generally rather than specifically Skatty, I've been in the Aspen, they had one at Highbridge last year and it's a nice tent and did seem quite airy.

Walking round tent displays last summer though (as I did a lot when I couldn't go camping ) the SIG tents generally were to me noticably more "airless" than the non SIG's and the "sealed inners" like the Diablo etc were noticably hotter and more airless than the non sealed SIG's (hope that makes sense!).   I'm not really bothered by windows, we've usually got the front of the tent open whatever the weather!

I don't like SIG's so that may affect my view of them - I just wanted to counter the "SIG's are cosy and keep out bugs" so you've got to buy one type comments. There are lots of considerations to be taken into account.

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24/2/2007 at 2:58pm
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LIke a lot of folks we have had both types - and I agree that we could all debate the pros and cons all day (and as Telloz has pointed out there have been several other thread on this). The advice to go and look at tent displays is absolutely the right way to appraoch this ; sometimes there is just sn indefinable something that makes sone model right for YOU...... so whilst getting a range of info and opinions is a good start, you need to go & see! (Besides , that is the best bit....)

Good luck with the search.



25/2/2007 at 9:55am
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Interesting topic.  My decision to by a vista 800 this year has had a spanner thrown in the work becuase OH saw a Diablo600 at weekend and "fell in love" with it.  Only downside to getting the 600 is the whole inner/outer pitch.  Both tents have a layout that we have worked out will suite are requirements.  The Diablo is a little cheaper but I have been against the inner pitch first due to thoughts of putting up in rain.

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