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27/5/2008 at 1:33pm
 Location: Ivybridge Devon
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Hi everyone, we were one of the unlucky ones who desided to take a tent away in the middle of what seemed like a hurricane this bank holiday.  Myself OH and four very excited young children arrived at Camping internationat at madagassi in cornwall at 6 pm sat evening.  we managed to pitch our Kyham Ontario 8 fairley easily as it was only the second time we had been away in it, we also brought a Kyham dayroom to serve as kitchen and dining area ( a useful idea with youngsters)  That night it was rainy and very windy but we were cosy and warm and congratulated ourselves on how well the tent was standing up to the weather. The next day was very rainny in the morning but we had brilliant sunshine in the afternoon and even had a dip in the pool and sat out in our lovely sun canopy drinking cidre while the kids took full advantage of the 5 acre play area.  How clever we were to come away we congratulated ourselves, who would have thought how nice it had turned out.  Little did we know what was to come.  That night the rain poored down and the wind really picked up.  A couple of Guys came loose ( perhaps for our next trip we should get some of the delta pegs we told each other) but once repeged our tent still stood proud and secure.  On Monday afternoon we decide to have a trip round the nearby village, just to say we hadn't stayed inside the tent all day and set off for a couple of hours walking round eating soggy chips on the harbour in torrental rain.  We finally had had enough and set off for coffee and cakes back at the tent looking forward to a cosy afternoon holed up in our nice walm tent reading.  How supprised we were when we came back to our pitch to find the tent compleatley flattened.  The guys had pulled out and two of the fiberglass poles had split in half.  It was a mess and the winds were getting worse. We decided to pack up and head for home, no mean feat in those winds with four terrified children shivering  in the toilet block.  Thank god for the dayroom which stayed upright throughout the ordeal and was used to shove all our belongings in while we dissembeled the tent.  We crammed everything in the trailer and car and headed off.  As we left there were tons of tent blowing in so I'm glad we didn't decide to make running repairs and brave it out. Now safe at home we are wondering if a stronger tent with perhaps steel poles may be a better prospect for our next holiday which is for a week and much further away, we don't want to go through that again the poor kids were traumatrised.  How did any of you with steel poles fair, was it just the weather or is our tent really just a bit lightweight.  We had an Aspen 700 previousley but it was hell to errect however it did withstand really bad weather in cornwall.  Any ideas as to a windproof tent, must be six birth + if poss and have a sig.


27/5/2008 at 2:22pm
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Hi bigmoma
If you want to be safe from wind and rain, your best bet would be a Cabanon Barbados Pyramid tent and a 3 X 4 meter tatonka TC tarp with two adjustable poles to extend the front for a kitchen. with this set up you can camp all year round, SAFE from the UK weather.
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27/5/2008 at 2:36pm
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To be honest the way the weather was saturday and sunday i didnt see many tents lasting.I have a steel pole tent and i still lost one clip.Very lucky that we had decided to pack up.A frame tent had a running repair and it was still took down when it got too much.Two argos pro action tents part steel part fibre glass poles one made it one didnt and they were pitched either side of the service road.Vango aspen were lifting off the ground.The outwell hartford and vango diablo were faring a bit better but all in all they were took down too.All i kept thinking is 'im not gonna loose this one' We had a cheep little family dome next to us and how the hell it lasted as long as it did beats me .Perhaps is was because it was low to the ground.We were in the nebraska with delta pegs.All in all its keeping your eyes ears on the weather reports but you cant always do that. Play by safety instinct and talk to other campers.


27/5/2008 at 2:39pm
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The failure was the pegs, them coming out made the tent unstable and the wind just flattened it as there was no guy ropes holding in place causing the poles to bend beyond there limits.


27/5/2008 at 8:20pm
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We now have steel pole frame tents but previously when we've used flexi pole tents we've done a number of things in high winds....we've added guys (either use cling on's or tie cord/rope between existing guying points or poles) and we double peg - this is where you put two pegs in so that they cross over each other under the ground, this makes it much less likely that the pegs will pull out.

Many people swear by Delta Pegs, we've always managed without though by double pegging.

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27/5/2008 at 8:38pm
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Hi Guys,

Our Coleman sahara was all steel poles, it was pegged down with rock pegs and double pegged, we lost it at Shell Island at the weekend along with our day room which is also rigid steel - WIND IS A KILLER if you ask me whatever your rig.  Heres to camping in the sunshine!!!



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27/5/2008 at 8:45pm
 Location: Ivybridge Devon
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hi all thanks for  your comments,my OH went to buy some replacement poles today and was suprised to see so many snapped  and twisted steel poles being asked for over the weekends wind!We have now got our eyes on the new Vango Nile 800 it does have steel poles but looks fab any comments on it? Maria


28/5/2008 at 7:45am
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We left early Sat morn before the winds really hit and it was still sunny. We were up in Derby and left early Friday morning for camp and there were plenty of weather news about strong winds especially for the south. Even if there isn't a warning, it does list the winds and gusts and even up in Derby, it listed the gusts up to 50mph. So we knew well in advanced what was to come if we stayed.

It's upsetting to see how many actually stayed and put themselves, children and others at risk. It's not worth it and now look at the number of damaged tents. It frustrates me even more that Shell Island was still taking people in during all this and in that news report they say they didn't know, that's a bunch of bull!

I hope I haven't upset anybody but always, always double check the weather, it's there.



28/5/2008 at 8:37am
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Pegging on sand or sandy soil is always a bit of a nightmare, not to mention impossible in some circumstances. Pegged on sandy soil with high winds? Argh. Tents need anchored down in some way, and even Deltas won't hold in very loose dry soil. (Very good for soft clay...that's different.) Though I belive Rob has a new Delta in production, for sand?

So on sand/sandy soil, I don't think it would matter if your poles were made of NASA grade titanium, if the wind could still pick the tent up.



28/5/2008 at 11:05am
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Quote: Originally posted by merrycat on 27/5/2008

Hi Guys,

Our Coleman sahara was all steel poles, it was pegged down with rock pegs and double pegged, we lost it at Shell Island at the weekend along with our day room which is also rigid steel - WIND IS A KILLER if you ask me whatever your rig.  Heres to camping in the sunshine!!!


I too lost a Sahara a couple of years ago in North Yorkshire. It was pegged down with Deltas which did their job and didn't budge an inch. The steel frame became twisted and distorted beyond use and I binned the lot on the way home. It was a badly designed tent which had too much tenting on too little poles. Interestingly Coleman don't make them anymore. Wonder why ?


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28/5/2008 at 11:30am
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Big Momma

Our Montana 6 stood up to the winds very well this weekend - steel poles, SIG, sleeps 6 (but that's the official figure - we always allow extra space and say 4 peeps in comfort). Used Deltas.

We weren't in the windiest part of the country but got gusts of 35 - 40 knots or so.

But - concerned over the ability of our day tent to withstand the increasingly strong gusts, we did break camp and return early but intact.

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28/5/2008 at 11:31am
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Safeway, strange you should say that about the Sahara......when we were at the tent show in Feb, Coleman had a polycotton tent and it was called the Sahara. It was only £225 and when we got home, we tried to find it and couldn't. It wasn't on any of the colemans websites or even the catalog that we got at the show. We were going to buy it but thought twice after having a hard time finding information on it.

Maybe it was just those being sold and that's it. Yeoman's were the ones offering and it wasn't even on their web site either. Found it a bit strange.

The only Sahara we found was the older version like yours.



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Hi all
I have never camped on sand, the nearest to pure sand was at
Graffham last year were one night we had a Gale 8 with heavy rain. we knew it was coming and prepared and was fine.
But What would I do if I was caught out on say shell island and a severe gale came up, We have a few of these fold up canvas type bags we take for shopping always in the car.
What I think I would do if I had time, is what arctic and mountain campers do in deep snow, I would dig deep holes in the sand at least 2' tie the guy onto the bag handles and fill it with sand drop it in the hole the right way and fill the hole up with wet sand and trample it tight the tighten your guy this would be OK for frame tents as we have only 4 main guy ropes.
but to be honest if it was safe to take the tent down I would if I was pitched on sands
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28/5/2008 at 12:08pm
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But you've more experience than most Rex when you were digging trenches whilst battling the Hun.


28/5/2008 at 12:42pm
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Hi Safeway
But you do now mean the German soldiers of the 1914-18 war.
No I got my GSM for fighting off leaches and mosquitoes in the jungles of Borneo and Malaya 1962-64
But as your name implies it is best to be safe than sorry.
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Well I'm going to be extremely unpopular (as normal) but I blame the modern so called tents and people who don't bother to learn about camping properly.

 If you bought a good make of tent designed to with stand british weather which had instructions not just on pitching a tent but how to prepare a tent for stormy conditions  and different pitching conditions half of this W/E disasters would not have happened




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