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Quote: Originally posted by Hoppers on 27/6/2008

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Anyway (assuming anyone has a clue as to what I'm whittering on about) my query was about how to guy the two end arches, if I pull the guys to follow the angle of each arch they meet and seem to suit being on the same peg, so should I do just that or still have 2 pegs and bang them in right next to each other?

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I know exactly what you mean (I've looked at the Commanche) and the answer is a peg for each guyline, at least a foot apart. You can tweak the 45¬ angle to the ground a little bit in situations like this.

Thanks Val & Rex, another puzzler solved...It did have me stumped.

I knew (remembered from my scouting days) the basics of following seams or tension directions and angle of pegs, etc but in practice these particular guys just seem to fit nicely onto a single peg, which I also knew was wrong?

Here is the link for the Delta Ground Anchors (pegs, to you and me!).  If you do a search (using the button near the top of the page) for Deltas you will find lots of threads about them.  They are pretty-much universally acclaimed on this site.  One problem with most of the pegs that came with your tent (the thin "pin" pegs) is that they have little surface area to resist peing pulled through the ground.  Even the "V" pegs, which have a greater surface area in contact with the soil, can be levered out in soft ground in strong winds.  The Deltas, however, are designed so that thee is no leverage.

But don't worry too much with the theory, they work and are far cheaper than replacing a ripped tent.  The Orchy is a nice tent, I put one up over the weekend, but it can take a buffering when the wind picks up.

By the way, when you order Deltas, you get a 10% discount for being a member of this site.  Rob Orr, the guy you'll deal with, is a cracking bloke to do business with.

Quote: Originally posted by Baz Thornton on 30/6/2008

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Pooh !!! just read this thread 24 hours after ordering deltas on ebay through Rob Orr!!!!

Lesson 1 ; read ukkcampsite before ordering owt off ebay !!!

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Don't worry Baz, I'll refund your order in a few minutes.

You know being the pipe dreamer I am I often have odd off ball thoughts.

So ever been in a poundland and seen those  corkscrew steel peg pins for your dog lead or rope. Well why don't they do smaller versions for tents. 2 or 3 for a quid.

Or what would happen if you used say 4 or 6 of those to secure your tent.

Off the wall thought I know.

Quote: Originally posted by TallBigMe on 30/6/2008

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You know being the pipe dreamer I am I often have odd off ball thoughts.

So ever been in a poundland and seen those  corkscrew steel peg pins for your dog lead or rope. Well why don't they do smaller versions for tents. 2 or 3 for a quid.

Or what would happen if you used say 4 or 6 of those to secure your tent.

Off the wall thought I know.

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Well, better than the "pin" peg and, depending on the length, better (perhaps) than a "V" peg.  But it still doesn't solve the leverage problem that all conventional pegs have.

The force that is exerted on a conventional peg is at its exposed end and, if the force is strong enough and the ground soft enough, the peg is pulled through the ground so that it is no longer at the 45 degrees and so is no longer securely anchored.  Because of its design the force exerted on a Delta is at the centre of the peg; below ground level.  It's pretty much impossible to change the angle at which it is embedded into the ground and so it remains fast.

When I first saw it I didn't get it but after a little thought (and employing some A'Level Physics-acquired knowledge of forces) I realised what a wonderful piece of out-of-the-box thinking it was.