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Topic: Spend on kit versus camping ?
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23/8/2010 at 1:39pm
Location: t'north Outfit: Dutch canvas or maybe French
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This year we returned to camping after a few years off and have had quite a few trips already
To gear up (we now have young kids) we have spent about £500 on all sorts of kit (Canvas Pyramid tent, SI mats, sleeping bags, Igloo coolbox, Suitcase stove, Kitchen stand, kids chairs, kettle/fry pan, water carrier etc) this year
In comparison our site fees add up to less than £300
10 years ago we seemed to camp year after year with the same kit and I tended to view kit as an investment and sites as an expense
But am now starting to think that a lot of the kit these days is deliberately disposable and our camping budget for next year will innevitably involve more stuff to buy (our Gas lantern recently started being troublesome and pierceable canister lamps are being phased out)- or is it a sign of becoming a bit of a camping hobbyist that new bits of kit are always on the list ?
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23/8/2010 at 1:51pm
Location: London Outfit: Outwell Bear Lake 4
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The trouble is camping is like any other hobby; there are lots of people who would like your money and there's always a shiny new toy to tempt you.
I suppose the secret is to resist the siren lure of the camping shops and focus on what you actually need to achieve your desired level of comfort and functionality. There's a fairly substantial set up cost to camping, but hopefully it's stuff you'll be able to use again and again.
Also, buy quality stuff. When I started camping again as a adult I tried to buy cheap. As a result, I ended up buying a lot stuff twice. Now I think we have pretty much everything we need, and it's quality stuff that should last us a while. Some things will need replacing in the natural course of events but we are disciplined about keeping our camping clutter down to the minimum that we need to keep ourselves warm, dry and well-fed.
Last year we finally bought a barbecue and then OH's chair collapsed so we had to get him a new one. The next day our airbed finally died and we replaced it with a self-inflating mat. So that was a pricey year. I think the only camping supplies we bought this year were gas canisters and a multi-tool botttle opener, can opener, corkscrew thingy for £1.99. So it can be done!
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23/8/2010 at 2:00pm
Location: Sunny south coast Outfit: Columbia 600 Bude 4
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We have done similar, but like yourself its because our son came along and many of our old faithfulls were just no longer appropriate. Not helped by our old tents really coming to end of their useful lives as well as being too small. We took our son to Wales last year with our old ridge tent to see how we got on as a family. We enjoyed it, but holes and leaks meant that it was time to upgrade:
so - 3 new tents (4 and 6 berths for different occasions - all used already several times!), footprints plus 1 carpet, tarp, extra airbed, new double burner stove with integral stand, extra suitcase stove and backpacker table, a bigger cooking pot for the trangia set, larger crockery storage as taking more of the old orange crockery and cutlery, a child's chair, Outwell baffins stool/table for flexible seating for our son, larger cool boxes and folding toilet.
There has also been the odd upgrade - rechargeable airbed pump now we have 2 airbeds to pump up, LED lights (as rechargable lantern gave up), etc...
But we don't intend this to be repeated for a while. Very much chosen and bought as an investment so that we can use the set-up for a fair few years (just as previously). Camping for us is a hobby, not the shopping, and its only one of several hobbies that need to be juggled!
Helen
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23/8/2010 at 2:17pm
Location: North West Outfit: Obelink Familia 6; ESVO Bedouin 280
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We have one relatively big and expensive tent (for us), a SunValley 6 - this is for main family holidays. We also have a cheap (£50) 5 man dome for me and one of the kids to go away and spend some quality time.
my wife and I are still using some of the gear we used to go backpacking with (sleeping bags, sleeping mats).
Any additional bits were bought with careful consideration, and sometimes this meant buying the more expensive option. My coleman duelfuel stove was a bit of an investment, but I know it will go on forever with a bit of occasional tlc.
We haven't bought anything new at all this year (OK, maybe a couple of Ikea holdalls for £4.99 each... but we use those for other things).
I have a short (but expensive) list of things I want (SI mats for the kids, new SI mats for me & my lovely wifey, a coleman petrol lantern and maybe a nice canvas tent) but I choose to spend my money elsewhere (on things like food and a house), so the camping wishlist stays just that - a wishlist.
Camping CAN be a money pit - but only if you (a) buy the wrong thing to begin with, or (b) if you want new bits & bobs all the time (and choose to give in to the urge to buy).
Good luck at resisting...
EDIT: One last comment - we NEVER buy anything on a whim (unless it is a one-off bargain, and we always think very carefully about these).
I can see a new stove at a good price, and walk away and think "do I really need this?" We then wait a month before allowing myself to buy it.
I might end up paying a little bit more, but I can guarantee that the answer to "Do I really need this?" is usually "NO!". In the long run, I think I save money by avoiding impulse buys...
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23/8/2010 at 4:50pm
Location: North East Outfit: Outwell Nevada M
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The main reason for me wanting to camp again was paying over £200 for 3 nights B&B last year in the Lakes. I love going there and want to be able to go more than once a year. I'd also like to visit other places without the hefty price of hotels or B&B's.
Hubby doesn't want to camp, but we had 2 smallish kids then, so now it'll just be the 2 of us .........and one of our dogs. (the Bullmastiff can stay at home) so it should be more relaxing.
I've had to start again with all the equipment, when we moved back from 6 yrs in Spain, the camping stuff was left behind. Just bought the Outwell Nevada M today, hopefully we might get to try it out before the weather is too cold, then I can budget for other things we'll need for the start next year...........
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23/8/2010 at 5:32pm
Location: London Outfit: Hilleberg Nallo2 GT - Tarptent Scarp 1
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From a backpacking perspective - I have everything I need but can't help but look out for even lighter gear. Have a new tent that weighs about 40% of the previous and a mat that weighs about half the old one.
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23/8/2010 at 8:10pm
Location: Dorset Outfit: Lots.mainly Cabanons!
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Quote: Originally posted by dmsplat on 23/8/2010
EDIT: One last comment - we NEVER buy anything on a whim (unless it is a one-off bargain, and we always think very carefully about these). I can see a new stove at a good price, and walk away and think "do I really need this?" We then wait a month before allowing myself to buy it. I might end up paying a little bit more, but I can guarantee that the answer to "Do I really need this?" is usually "NO!". In the long run, I think I save money by avoiding impulse buys...
That's good advice and something that I try hard to keep to as well...impulse buys are bad...
We buy decent kit, try to look after it and don't get caught up in having to have matching everything so we can switch between tents with no stress about the colour of whatever!
Buy good basics, mats, sleeping bags and don't be suckered into to buying something just because it's a pretty colour - it needs to keep you warm at 3am not just look pretty in the middle of the day!
We spend very little on pitch fees between £5 and £8 per night - but we get fantastic sites for that price and I'd rather have these than £30 all singing all dancing sites.
------------- Piglet
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23/8/2010 at 11:39pm
Location: Severn Valley Outfit: Aztec Galeria 4 Outwell Virginia 5
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Sites come and go, but your tent and kit is your camping 'home', and it is important to make it right. It's pretty important to spend a fair bit in the first instance, as nothing will put off a tentative camper more than cheap equipment and a leaking tent. Once you have your setup, though, I find it's counter-productive to buy more, as you only end up with a tent full of fancy clutter!
Sometimes you see something really innovative, which you know will enhance your camping experience, save you space or be less weight in the car or in your backpack. These items are usually well worth investing in, to make your setup even better, especially if you have a small car or are backpacking. But I avoid buying expensive frills which take up room and have to be stored, and then make the camp more hassle to deploy. For me, the simpler the better.
FoO
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24/8/2010 at 6:52pm
Location: None Entered Outfit: Bell tent & lavvu & Coleman Avior X2
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I spent quite a lot when getting kit together again, but we thought proper hard about what we were buying. Decided straight off that we wanted tents that we wouldn't feel an urge to upgrade in 12 months time, so went immediately for nice canvas bell tent and a canvas lavvu. Set me back something like £800 between them, but they make camping exactly how we want it, and I have no intention of changing them for many years.
Got Snugpak sleeping bags off ebay from companies that deal in army surplus (although the bags are new ones and unused). Got loads of second hand stuff off ebay (usually army surplus - tough as nails cooker and cool boxes....and other things I keep seeing). Tend to just buy bits in dribs and drabs.
Camp site fees so far this year....couple of hundred quid for the 5 of us that go. Same last year. Next year total expenses will be a lot lot less as tents all done now. Certainly loads cheaper than holidays in hotels, and a lot more flexible. Can't stand all that booking of flights malarkey. Camping well worth it, and so cost of tents and equipment easily justified!
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