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22/9/2013 at 6:09pm
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Quote: Originally posted by hankakampa on 22/9/2013
Quote: Originally posted by ChrisPolly+Oscar on 22/9/2013Interesting question there sir;I would say, as a design engineer myself, that every vehicle is designed to be a jack of all trades, with certain emphasis on key requirements.

Large vans and proper heavy duty 4x4 (not the artificial posey type) are designed to spend there lives hauling heavy loads and essentially been tortured, but they are thirsty and slow compared to a diesel estate, which wasn't designed primarily for towing...





Would you consider my transit 100/t300 to be a large van? It's a medium wheelbase, medium roof model with a 2.0 turbo Diesel engine.

It's surprisingly nippy away from the lights and if I sit at 60 on the motorway it will do 40mpg although that tails off if I do 70 or 80 ( not sure what it maxes out at but I reckon it's license losing! )

I think that's not too thirsty considering what it can carry! And that's without the roof rack and towbar - both of which are available from Ford as approved accessories for it!



Indeed I would!! We used to use an 02 plate 125/T350 LWB to move a race car & trailer around the country; never got 40mpg though, but it did return 30mpg quite happily. Think it had a 2.4 litre turbo diesel; tough old bird though, had 1000's and 1000's miles of abuse on it.

We were offered a race box converted 1969 AEC Reliance coach with Plaxton Panorama bodywork; big 13 litre diesel slowly chugging away, no more messing with trailers or vans; just 10 boys (& the odd wife) away for the weekend. Only cost £1000; needed some work to get it through MOT, easy though. Only does 18mpg, but spread between 10 of us, cheap enough. Kitchen, bathroom, beds, workshop. Its just like a BIG motorhome...
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22/9/2013 at 6:24pm
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Quote: Originally posted by ukmarc on 22/9/2013
At the moment we've got the smallest Mitsubishi Shogun



If its engineered anything like a Landcruiser, which crawling around underneath looks like its been built to survive a war (maybe why the UN used them?); you will be fine, no worries, hammer the thing best you can.

People use such like to tour the most inhospitable parts of the world; cant be going into no limp mode in the middle of the Sahara!!!

Keep the engine oil & filter good & clean (5k changes?), change gearbox, transfer box, front diff & rear diff oil every 2 years, will tow the world around indefinitely.

Its what they were built for...

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22/9/2013 at 7:29pm
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Quote: Originally posted by ukmarc on 22/9/2013


We do get whichever car we're using serviced before we go (condition of insurance, usually)


Out of interest, Val, is this to do with driving abroad?

It's for our trips abroad, yes. It used to be a condition of taking out Europe Assistance (sp?) that your car was kept in a properly serviced condition and had been serviced recently  so we got into the habit of scheduling it's regular service within a month of going away. This may have changed in recent years (OH reads the car insurance policy, I read the personal one) of course. It would be worth checking this point for any foreign car insurance policy I would think, one wouldn't wish to fall foul of a technicality.




22/9/2013 at 7:40pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Valk_scot on 22/9/2013

Quote: Originally posted by ukmarc on 22/9/2013


We do get whichever car we're using serviced before we go (condition of insurance, usually)



Out of interest, Val, is this to do with driving abroad?

It's for our trips abroad, yes. It used to be a condition of taking out Europe Assistance (sp?) that your car was kept in a properly serviced condition and had been serviced recently  so we got into the habit of scheduling it's regular service within a month of going away. This may have changed in recent years (OH reads the car insurance policy, I read the personal one) of course. It would be worth checking this point for any foreign car insurance policy I would think, one wouldn't wish to fall foul of a technicality.






I had no idea you had to service as a requirement for insurance for travel; we were looking at doing a tour of Northern France & Atlantic Coast next year, will definitely look into this. Thank you.

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22/9/2013 at 9:24pm
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Funny this post should come up, I've just been checking under my car thinking that this camping trip I'm just back from has really done some damage this time. Last week it had a new ball joint and a rear caliper. but today coming home with a fully laden car with three people, two dogs, a family sized pop up tent, and assorted gear has left my estate car very low to the ground. My drive is on a slope and to get out of it you have to go over a crest and my car is long too and the bottom of the car lightly scrapes over the crest at the best of times. When it's loaded up with camping gear, the kids (teens) have to get out and I ease the car over the crest. Today it scraped along more alarmingly than it has done in the past on our return home. I wonder have I buggered the suspension now!

I've been offered a little trailer so that might help the situation.


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22/9/2013 at 9:55pm
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Quote: Originally posted by ChrisPolly+Oscar on 22/9/2013
Quote: Originally posted by hankakampa on 22/9/2013
Quote: Originally posted by ChrisPolly+Oscar on 22/9/2013Interesting question there sir;I would say, as a design engineer myself, that every vehicle is designed to be a jack of all trades, with certain emphasis on key requirements.
Large vans and proper heavy duty 4x4 (not the artificial posey type) are designed to spend there lives hauling heavy loads and essentially been tortured, but they are thirsty and slow compared to a diesel estate, which wasn't designed primarily for towing...





Would you consider my transit 100/t300 to be a large van? It's a medium wheelbase, medium roof model with a 2.0 turbo Diesel engine.

It's surprisingly nippy away from the lights and if I sit at 60 on the motorway it will do 40mpg although that tails off if I do 70 or 80 ( not sure what it maxes out at but I reckon it's license losing! )

I think that's not too thirsty considering what it can carry! And that's without the roof rack and towbar - both of which are available from Ford as approved accessories for it!



Indeed I would!! We used to use an 02 plate 125/T350 LWB to move a race car & trailer around the country; never got 40mpg though, but it did return 30mpg quite happily. Think it had a 2.4 litre turbo diesel; tough old bird though, had 1000's and 1000's miles of abuse on it.

We were offered a race box converted 1969 AEC Reliance coach with Plaxton Panorama bodywork; big 13 litre diesel slowly chugging away, no more messing with trailers or vans; just 10 boys (& the odd wife) away for the weekend. Only cost £1000; needed some work to get it through MOT, easy though. Only does 18mpg, but spread between 10 of us, cheap enough. Kitchen, bathroom, beds, workshop. Its just like a BIG motorhome...
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Oh wow! Look at the size of that!

Have you got piccies of the inside?

13litre engine?!?

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22/9/2013 at 11:36pm
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As someone who has had to have the suspension replaced on my car - I would say yes to the header question.
Big outwell tent, and all the other stuff I have, dig, child, clothing all adds to the weight. Plus a roof box !!


23/9/2013 at 11:31am
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My car has been creaking when I get in and out of it recently. It's only a small car and last month it was packed with the most enormous amount of stuff plus two adults. Then when we arrived off the ferry we heaved and squashed stuff around to squeeze my husband in the back for the twenty minute drive to the campsite/B&B. I wondered at the time if the car would take it! There must be limits surely. The two rear tyres seem to be losing air too.

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23/9/2013 at 11:59am
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I think camping...Or to be more precise the packing to go camping must play its part on the wear and tear in a cars life...Especially if your off camping quite a few times in the season...

Fair enough...Cars are designed to carry 5 passengers and luggage theses days.....But that is still a lot off stuff we pack in over that rear axle...Not to mention the roof box and trailers some of us have as well....

Must put a bit of strain on the engine and other components to some degree over the lifetime of a car...??

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23/9/2013 at 3:46pm
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I have been offered a small aluminium trailer, for free (yipee!), so would towing it with camping gear in it be better for the car than packing the back of an estate with the seats collapsed down? Which is less strain?

I have camped quite a bit this summer, with one epic journey all over Ireland thrown in. My car, which was low to the ground anyway, is even lower now!


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23/9/2013 at 4:08pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Campernic on 23/9/2013
I have been offered a small aluminium trailer, for free (yipee!), so would towing it with camping gear in it be better for the car than packing the back of an estate with the seats collapsed down? Which is less strain?


My experiences with the trailer tent say yes, it's easier to pull it than carry it in the car. Different type of strain of course, especially up hills. The downside though is that there's a tendency to think "Yippee, lots of room in the car now!" and  buy even more stuff to fill it up so you now have a heavily loaded car plus the full trailer.


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I don't think that will happen, I've been through the 'everything I own just in case' and am now having some success with downsizing and simplifying after a festival trip with a car parked miles from the campsite, an overnighter, many weekends and one long epic trip, all recently.


23/9/2013 at 10:16pm
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Thr main probs we have had are: first big family trip, halfway to lake district, accelerator starts sticking real bad, quite scary on mountain roads, nearly gave up but limped onto site. Took car to local garage, told them the problem, he says fine but have you seen the state of your tyres? I say yes, they're fine, quite new, he shows me front tyre, the outside edge worm to the cords. Turned out a broken tracking thingy meant weight was unevenly distributed and all the extra weigjt over distance literally destroyed the tyre. No car all hols waiting to be fixed but was quite nice having to just walk to local village ot beach every day.

End of that year, clutch packed up, car ditched.

This year, new (to us) car, I forget trailer is there, reverse and it jacknifes into rear wing, nice dent (ok, my fault that one!). Then, a couple of weeks ago, I drive to Wales, all seems fine, get to site as clutch packs up on this one, £1k bill from local garage, gutted!


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Quote: Originally posted by Campernic on 22/9/2013Funny this post should come up, I've just been checking under my car thinking that this camping trip I'm just back from has really done some damage this time. Last week it had a new ball joint and a rear caliper. but today coming home with a fully laden car with three people, two dogs, a family sized pop up tent, and assorted gear has left my estate car very low to the ground. My drive is on a slope and to get out of it you have to go over a crest and my car is long too and the bottom of the car lightly scrapes over the crest at the best of times. When it's loaded up with camping gear, the kids (teens) have to get out and I ease the car over the crest. Today it scraped along more alarmingly than it has done in the past on our return home. I wonder have I buggered the suspension now!

I've been offered a little trailer so that might help the situation.



We have the same problem, our path slopes steeply away from the level road, so getting it over the crest is always a challenge, even unladen. We do like to pack the car for camping at the bottom of the path, behind the fence and gates, so we're not advertising the fact that we're going away, so getting it out over the hump is almost impossible. We find it helps to take the crest at a really sharp angle, so the wheels go sideways over it instead of head-on. We have a Golf, which has a medium length wheelbase. Might not help with anything very much longer, though our daughter gets her Skoda estate down the path using that method, and that is a longer wheelbase than ours.

Our little old Renault Megane had to have a new engine, and then that died too, and I still reckon it was the heavy loads such as camping equipment and bodyboards, and the long-distance hauls, that killed her.

Our son told us to get a Golf, as he said it's a real workhorse. Seems to have been right so far, no problems yet.

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ukmarc, seems you dont have much luck with cars.

As has been mentioned, the extra weight isnt any different to extra people, my roof has a limit of 75kg and my car has a small boot so a camping trip for two people is much like two extra adults in the car.

My cars automatic gears do seem to get more confused at times, braking is a bit harder amd MPG is worse as expected. So it must all be putting extra strain on the car and that will show up any faults that are waiting to happen.   Luckily my cars only two and a bit years old so it doesnt seem to care to much about the extra load.

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Our car is on 95000 and its original clutch.We have towed for the last couple of years and the car is still sound.

In fact i have never had a clutch go so maybe its dwon to driving style ? I know a cuople of people who have had clutches go, why is it always them ?



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24 Daily Prizes PLUS a Christmas Day Star Prize worth £999

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