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06/1/2014 at 1:28pm
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My thoughts are that it is much easier to knock your peg in, then attach your guyline to it, before adjusting accordingly, than to wrap your ("fixed length")guyline around the peg then attempting to keep the correct tautness (Is that a word?) whilst whacking the peg in!!
That aside, however, the main reason for having the ability to adjust mid-camp is that your tent is a different size when cold and wet, than it is when dry, light, and fluffy!!
My line loks are purported to remain in the same position, so I'm under the impression (rightly or wrongly) that they don't inadvertently slide (and slacken off the guys), even in windy conditions. Yet, I have found, on occasion, that my lines have slackened, to varying degrees, at various times. If the weather stays constant, then less so, admittedly. But if it goes from warm/sunny/calm to cooler/wetter/windier, (or vice versa?), those guys may well need adjusting. From what little info I've picked up on these forums (on this subject), it seems contraction/expansion (of the tent) is the culprit. I can only believe what I have read (as I always do... without fail!!), but have no desire to believe otherwise! Also, I'd guess the bigger the tent, the bigger these differences?
So yes, I'd say it is necessary to have sliders... or at the very least, have some ability to adjust the guy lines, as and when deemed necessary. At present, the best option I am aware of, imo, are the Clam Cleat Line-Loks... although I am, as always, open to persuasion!
For the above reasons, when it comes to sliders on your guy lines, I'M IN!! 
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Quote: Originally posted by Mucker1884 on 06/1/2014
My thoughts are that it is much easier to knock your peg in, then attach your guyline to it, before adjusting accordingly, than to wrap your ("fixed length")guyline around the peg then attempting to keep the correct tautness (Is that a word?) whilst whacking the peg in!!
That aside, however, the main reason for having the ability to adjust mid-camp is that your tent is a different size when cold and wet, than it is when dry, light, and fluffy!!
If you are using the wire type tent pegs which have to be hammered right into the ground otherwise they will spin round and discharge the guy rope, you will not be able to attach the guy afterwards. In fact, most pegs need to be hammered right into the ground so unless you have rubber slip rings on the guy where it joins the peg you will have great difficulty in adjusting it anyway.
It is true that tents will 'sag' when wet and the older they are, if the outer silicon has worn off and the material is retaining moisture, the more they will sag. However, trying to prevent that by adjusting the guys will put immense strain on guys and guy points I would imagine. Although it is suggested that guys are adjusted regularly I very much doubt that anyone does more than check that the pegs are still in place occasionally and the guys are as taut as they like them to be.
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06/1/2014 at 5:31pm
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Bob,
I couldn't be bothered to write "part knock peg in.... attach guy line... then fully knock in etc, etc..... I took that as a given! :-)
I think mine (polycotton) do retain water when wet, and do sag... at which point, (following advice gleaned from this very forum) I adjust (rightly or wrongly) the sliders.... albeit, it's usually minimal adjustment.
The trouble with this camping malarkey, if there is any "trouble", is that there seems to be a very fine line between right, wrong, and personal preference.
I'm the first to admit that in the short 18 months I have been a campist, and thus a member on here, I have quite literally learned something new each day... but I sometimes wonder "who to believe"! 
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Quote: Originally posted by Mucker1884 on 06/1/2014
Bob,
I couldn't be bothered to write "part knock peg in.... attach guy line... then fully knock in etc, etc..... I took that as a given! :-)
I think mine (polycotton) do retain water when wet, and do sag... at which point, (following advice gleaned from this very forum) I adjust (rightly or wrongly) the sliders.... albeit, it's usually minimal adjustment.
The trouble with this camping malarkey, if there is any "trouble", is that there seems to be a very fine line between right, wrong, and personal preference.
I'm the first to admit that in the short 18 months I have been a campist, and thus a member on here, I have quite literally learned something new each day... but I sometimes wonder "who to believe"!
Ok...well my only other comment re knocking the peg in before you attach the guy line is that the guy line connecting points...usually triangular in shape, are sewn in at a specific angle and the guyline should follow that angle. In which case, how do you judge where to position the peg if the guy line isn't attached to it?
I think you have hit the nail on the head when you say there is a fine line between right and wrong and personal preference. After camping for a number of years you develop your own way of doing things based on experience and whatever advice you may read on this forum and other places. If the methods you use have worked successfully, you are unlikely to change those methods just because somebody else suggests doing it a different way.
On the other side of the coin, one can only pass on ones personal experiences and if it helps somebody then all well and good.
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