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25/11/2023 at 7:58am
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Since having to sell my caravan some years ago I have dabbled with a number of different units, trying to find something comfortable, with ease of set-up. (Perennial back problems) My original idea was to get a trailer tent. However, I've tried two different ones and hurt my back with both of them (lifting over heavy bed-boards etc).

So have been trying out some different types of tent. I really like the old-fashioned 2 berth frame tent, with the cotton canvas, but have some questions about set-up which I'm hoping someone can throw some light on.

I've noticed that some frame tents have the pegging-out rubbers on the inside of the rubber skirt, some are on the outside. I'm not sure whether I have missed a trick where this methodology is concerned, but one of the frame tents I've tried had the rubbers on the inside, another had them on the outside so the skirt was either laying on the outside of the tent, some were on the inside. This probably sounds like a totally stupid question to seasoned tenters, but which is the best type?

On one outing I went on, with the rubbers being on the outside of the skirt, I had a really wet week weather-wise and suffered a lot of water ingress onto the groundsheet. When I tried the Marechal in wet weather, which had the rubbers on the inside, I didn't get any water ingress at all. Anyway, that's one issue I had with frame tents. I guess it shouldn't really matter, or else manufacturers would have made all tents with the rubbers on what was considered the 'best' side.

So, I hear some asking, why do I buy old canvas frame tents, and not nice new nylon ones? Well most of the modern tents have the bendy-type poles. I did try one, but I found, being on my own, that it was difficult to set up this type of tent on my own, and on one occasion, one of the poles unhitched itself and slapped me round the face. Ouch! That only happened once before deciding to sell it on.

I love the fact that, once erected, you have full head height throughout a frame tent. It's also nice to have the zip-up inner bedroom, which you can keep closed during the day to prevent the dog from treading muddy paws all over the sleeping quarters!

Trailer tents? Well it struck me that actually, there isn't a huge advantage in choosing one as the only real advantage is the fact that the bed is up off the floor. Set-up time must actually be quite a bit longer, as you have both the basic unit to open up, pushing up/tensioning the poles etc, then you have the awning to set up. Most of these seem to be bigger than your average 2 - 4 berth frame tent. Added to which, when you get home, if you've had a wet week, you then have to set up the trailer tent again to allow it to dry out. I can just about dry out my small frame tent canvas indoors.

What would be really, really lovely would be to win some money on the Premium Bonds and get back into caravanning. Nice to dream, aye?



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25/11/2023 at 12:02pm
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Unfortunately, you sound as though you could really do with a small campervan. We had similar issues to you all those years ago, bought a campervan, and have never looked back.


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or get hold of a conway cardinal, the bed boards are on a type of drawer and the roof just gets wound open, its so easy my then 7 year old could set it up on her own and did so many times! drying out at home took the same amount of space s parking the trailer as all you had to do was open the roof up and just let the canvas hang down


25/11/2023 at 8:58pm
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Hi Cynth, you really do have my sympathy on this.

I wonder if you could manage to tow a Freedom Microlite. It's a very small caravan. They are very light and have all the basics and quite cheap to buy 2nd hand.


23/12/2023 at 2:29pm
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Just returning to this thread as I'm all ready for Christmas now, so spending time day dreaming about camping units!

Thanks to those of you who posted replies: Navver, I'd love to get a Microlite but the days of 'cheap and cheerful' used ones seem to be behind us. Used caravans of all types seem to be holding their prices well nowadays. If I was to be able to afford another caravan I'd like to go back to a Gobur folder. My little hatchback would probably cope better with one of those because of the low profile - no wind resistance.

A Conway Cardinal? Yes, I had thought of one, marg6. I have unfortunately heard of a couple of folk who have bought pre-owned ones and then found the winding gear is naff, so I think you have to spend a reasonable amount of money getting a sound one - maybe from a dealer. Camperlands had a French one a while back but I couldn't run to the price they wanted for it.

Franbee: A campervan - yay! Unit of my dreams, but again, expensive for even quite old ones.

Well, dream on, as they say....





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Have a look at a Cabanon Malawi trailer tent. We sold ours this year but it was the easiest and quickest to pitch unit we've had in 25 years of camping. From arriving on our pitch, we could be in bed within 15 minutes (the bed is on the trailer so no folding over of bed boards). I have to say though, we rarely used the front awning.

What's on your shortlist so far?


28/12/2023 at 9:29am
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Ah, lidds0! Therein lies one of the problems I have encountered so frequently, with some of the units I have tried!

I immediately noticed the 'we' when you described how quickly you could set up your TT. With a person each side of a unit it, naturally, halves the effort required to set up!

I haven't seen a Malawi 'in the flesh', but photos of them might suggest they are quite big - would I be able to manage one of these units on my own?

Youtube videos abound on the subject of setting up trailer tents (and other units of course) but I have seen few which show the process undertaken by one person, and even less of the method in reverse, and hardly any showing this being achieved by a solo camper.

Shortlist? The Gobur Carousel folding caravan is still at the top, but other pressures on my finances make the acquisition of a half-decent one unlikely in the near future.

I guess I'll just have to wait for the weather to improve, and make the most of my frame tent.

By the way, in the case of inclement weather, how many hardy campers out there pitch on a hardstanding? I've tried it a couple of times with the tent, using rock pegs, (with an extra groundsheet to shield from the hard ground) but it was bloomin' hard work!

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28/12/2023 at 10:44am
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As a solo camper I've never attempted pitching on a hardstanding, just don't fancy it. If conditions were that bad I'd probably just leave. Might be alright if you had a thick mat and a camp bed that was off the floor, I suppose. I still manage (just!) my tent; it has lightweight springy poles but I've never been smacked by one. That would sting! I couldn't afford even a small camper van though owning one was, for a while, a dream. Within a few years my campsite experience will be limited to pods, I think; I'm approaching 72, have various arthritic bits and the hassle of dealing with the tent is starting to outweigh the pleasure of holidaying in it. I hope you find something that works for you, so you can carry on camping!

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28/12/2023 at 1:09pm
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Thanks for your thoughts Hedgehugger. I'm 75, and still managing to set up the frame tent on my own despite, like you, having some arthritic joints here and there.

A campervan is the stuff of dreams for many of us ordinary folk it seems! One of my problems is that I still need two passenger seats for the occasions when I have to collect/deliver/generally ferry about my grandchildren, or I could adapt a little van for camping. However, then, it seems, there is a bit of a minefield to negotiate in terms of its taxation class and insurance criteria. That made me think I'd need to buy an already-converted van, which was actually registered as a campervan. Up goes the price!

Pod caravans..... I bet you could soon get one warm enough to be really comfortable, but could I face the restricted height, or (in some cases) having to go round to the back of the unit to access the coffee making facilities? Nah.... pass on that idea.

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28/12/2023 at 1:34pm
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Ah, I meant staying in glamping pods, which I've done before, not a pod-style caravan! Being able to stand up properly and get the kinks out of my back is vital. I've had two 'pod' holidays so far; one near Pateley Bridge and one near Fishguard. They're not cheap, but it's great being able to roll up after a long drive, just set up the bedding and be cosy and weatherproof with a heater and kettle. Congrats for still being able to tackle a frame tent!

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28/12/2023 at 3:29pm
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Hedgehugger I have looked at staying in a Glamping pod; those offered by the Camping and Caravanning Club, but dogs are verboten, so that was a no-no for me and the hairy (and at the moment muddy) monster. I have seen similar pods, offered as self-catering lets on the cottages.com website. As expensive as many of their bricks-and-mortar dwellings! Maybe I need to shop around a bit more and see if I can find some dog friendly pods.

Speaking of self catering, I have resorted to trying that option a couple of times but the prices seem to me to be in the realms of the extortionate! I then find myself spending the week worrying whether my cockerpoo pup is going to chew up any of the soft furnishings!

By the way, what is your Aztec? Is that one of the Pennine TTs?

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03/1/2024 at 9:38am
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Hi again lidds0, you suggested a little while ago that I might consider a Cabanon Malawi TT. I see Black Country Caravans have one in their showroom at the moment. I clicked onto it for a closer look. Goodness, it's huge! I think even if I managed to set the thing up myself, I would rattle around it like a pea in a drum! I'm still looking longingly at the Sunncamp Holiday Duo 240 they still have for sale, though I still think I might struggle getting the awning up on my own.

Anyway, the thought of going camping at the moment does not have me jumping up and down with excitement.... After such a wet winter I imagine it'll be a while before any grass pitches will be useable. It's weather like this that keeps me wondering whether I would be better swapping my frame tent for a TT. At least the bed is off the ground. I note that the Commanche Montana living area is a foot or so off the ground, too.

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03/1/2024 at 9:40am
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Quote: Originally posted by lidds0 on 27/12/2023
Have a look at a Cabanon Malawi trailer tent. We sold ours this year but it was the easiest and quickest to pitch unit we've had in 25 years of camping. From arriving on our pitch, we could be in bed within 15 minutes (the bed is on the trailer so no folding over of bed boards). I have to say though, we rarely used the front awning.

What's on your shortlist so far?



Previous post was meant to be a reply to yours, but I forgot to click on the quote button.

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03/1/2024 at 8:05pm
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Another option Cynth.

Yeatheridge Farm Caravan/Camping park do store and tow. Many of the people there store their caravans there. They ring the site to book a pitch and the site tows their caravan to the pitch with a tractor and leaves it with legs up. You leave it like that when you leave.

You would have to wind the legs down and hook up electric, water and waste and there you are.

The site reception has a folder with caravans for sale, if you like one you can contact the owner. The site will tow it out for you to look at etc. file .
Alternatively you can buy one anywhere and the site will collect it for you and tow it to the site. Because it doesnt have to be towed on the road it doesn't need to be roadworthy. You should pick something up pretty cheap.

The site is very friendly as so many of the people there store their vans there. They go back generations with many there now having gone there with grandparents and parents over the years.

Its in the middle of Devon, right up in the hills. Has a very good shop which will sell all you need at reasonable prices, a very good bar cum restaurant doing really good meals etc. Lovely views, very dog friendly etc.

Open April to end Oct I think.

Have a look on here for details and reviews.


04/1/2024 at 6:11am
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Quote: Originally posted by navver on 03/1/2024
Another option Cynth.

Yeatheridge Farm Caravan/Camping park do store and tow. Many of the people there store their caravans there. They ring the site to book a pitch and the site tows their caravan to the pitch with a tractor and leaves it with legs up. You leave it like that when you leave.

You would have to wind the legs down and hook up electric, water and waste and there you are.

The site reception has a folder with caravans for sale, if you like one you can contact the owner. The site will tow it out for you to look at etc. file .
Alternatively you can buy one anywhere and the site will collect it for you and tow it to the site. Because it doesnt have to be towed on the road it doesn't need to be roadworthy. You should pick something up pretty cheap.

The site is very friendly as so many of the people there store their vans there. They go back generations with many there now having gone there with grandparents and parents over the years.

Its in the middle of Devon, right up in the hills. Has a very good shop which will sell all you need at reasonable prices, a very good bar cum restaurant doing really good meals etc. Lovely views, very dog friendly etc.

Open April to end Oct I think.

Have a look on here for details and reviews.



A nice idea in many ways Navver, thanks for the suggestion. However one of the reasons I really want to get back to caravanning again is so that I can get on site during Christmas/New Year! There wouldn't be much point in me doing as suggested if I can't have holiday breaks during the winter!

I know a couple of people who decided to 'store & pitch' and they love the ease of having the caravan there ready when they want to get away, and there seems to be a good community spirit on this type of site, just not for me though! Thanks for the thought, anyway.


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10/1/2024 at 9:28am
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Well the rain has stopped, at long last....   It's been dry for almost a week now, so I'm wondering whether I dare risk having a trial setting-up of my new-to-me Relum frame tent, in the back garden. The ground is fairly hard with the recent frosts so I shouldn't have too much trouble with mud. My young cockerpoo has worn away much of the grass by doing 'zoomies' at top speed around the 'lawn' (Ha ha )

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