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19/5/2024 at 2:43pm
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Is there some way to keep a tent cooler inside when in direct sun?

Here is my issue; I love camping, and have been doing so since before I can even remember. I have always just sort of accepted that the inside of the tent would be miserable during the day if hit by the sun. That's why you set up a shaded outdoor area to relax in.

My partner, on the other hand, is only "tolerant" of camping. To try and make things more enjoyable, I have slowly improved our tent equipment and setup, and now we have a large tent with a proper "living room". My issue is that it is almost unusable as soon as there is any sun. Even with a decent breeze, it still becomes uncomfortably warm in no time.

I personally would prefer to just camp on more wild sites with trees and a natural canopy, but again, my partner isn't willing to deal with anything less than a proper toilet block so that isn't really an option. (Still working on introducing the idea of a portable toilet... If anyone can provide some advice on how to make that less "horrifying", I would definitely appreciate it!)

Which brings us back to my question; are there any good options for keeping it cooler inside the tent during the day when the sun is beating down? I could only come up with putting a tarp up over the tent, but a tent for the tent seems silly.


19/5/2024 at 3:45pm
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A tent for a tent may sound silly but we've got one of these from Decathlon and it's definitely several degrees cooler underneath it than simply bing in the shade.
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19/5/2024 at 5:18pm
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We use a fan


19/5/2024 at 5:53pm
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I can vouch for the Decathlon tarp too (the QUECHUA MULTIFUNCTION TARP CAMPING SHELTER - FRESH XL in our case)! We bought it/used it as a rain shelter over our outdoor camp kitchen, but discovered it's fantastic as a sun shade too, I know they claim it as such, but I was sceptical, I was very WRONG, it's brilliant! ... and it was in France with temps in the mid 30C's. It doesn't just provide shade, it really does stop the heat radiation penetrating through the fabric! The poles can be fitted in a number of ways and can be varied in height, as sectional, it's a remarkably versatile tarp.

Our tents (couple of 2 man 'canvas coffins') were intolerable in the sun, almost everything inside was too hot to touch, and to truly enter was tantamount to throwing oneself into an oven! We were grateful beyond words for the shelter of the tarp to escape the sun! We didn't really have the option of putting the tents under the tarp, we needed it's coverage for the kitchen and sitting out area.

In you're situation I'd certainly consider putting your tent 'under a tent'! Only caveat, tarps are susceptible to wind, so you may have to take it down if the wind gets up or too gusty. Ours stood up to some surprisingly strong winds, and the webbing guy ropes mostly stayed fixed, we did do a couple of crossed rock peg anchors to improve things, but TBF the ground was sandy and a poor anchor for pegs anyway.

There is very little 'horrifying' about a proper chemical camping loo (Pota-Potti), in use it's not so different to a normal loo, you have a proper seat, you have a flush, and the waste is 'out of sight'! Use the right chemicals and there is no smell, and the chemicals are bactericidal, so little health risk either, the chemicals have a perfume not too different from a ordinary toilet cleaner. Emptying the waste tank is not the best fun had camping for sure, but depending on use only needs doing every few days, again with the right chemicals there are no horrible smells! 'Solids' break down in a day or so, so all you really get to 'see' as you empty it is a rather unsightly (if used for No 2's), browny/blue, or browny/green, 'liquid' depending on chemicals used, if No 1's only, then it's just vividly blue or green liquid. If you've been around babies/small children or animals, you'll have dealt with far worse!!!!!

Biggest issue with a Porta-Potti for most people is it's size - it takes up a fair bit of boot space in the car! On site, mine's been in a toilet tent if we're fully using the family sized tent, or if on my own, in the 'spare' bedroom. Carrying a full waste tank if you let it get that full can be a struggle for some, mine's 21L, so 21Kg! - just don't let it get full if that's too heavy.

If it's a regular long walk in the dark and/or rain to the site facilities, or my own Porta-Potti, that's no competition, I'll cheerfully empty the tank every few days! I've got a very similar chemical loo in my caravan, really don't give it any great thought these days, it's just another ritual of camping to empty the loo tank.


19/5/2024 at 8:52pm
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Quote: Originally posted by seanfdh on 19/5/2024
A tent for a tent may sound silly but we've got one of these from Decathlon and it's definitely several degrees cooler underneath it than simply bing in the shade.



I agree that looks like an excellent option for a lower tent! My problem is that we have a larger tent with a high ceiling (Coleman Meadowood), so I am not sure if it would be feasible to attempt a tarp over it. I feel like we would need a full gazebo tent!


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19/5/2024 at 9:17pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Monty15 on 19/5/2024
I can vouch for the Decathlon tarp too (the QUECHUA MULTIFUNCTION TARP CAMPING SHELTER - FRESH XL in our case)!


I didn't think that tarps were really an option due to the size of our tent (Coleman Meadowood), but that one does look like it could be set up to provide at least partial shade to the tent which I am sure would help a lot! I will have to do some measurements and a test camp with one before a real trip to see if I can pull it off. I am not too worried about handling the wind, as if there is enough wind to cause an issue, I am sure there will be enough airflow through the tent to keep things cool.

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There is very little 'horrifying' about a proper chemical camping loo (Pota-Potti), in use it's not so different to a normal loo, you have a proper seat, you have a flush, and the waste is 'out of sight'!



I personally have no issues at all with camping toilet. I have happily dealt with digging holes (true wild camping) and using a bucket with a hole in the lid when that wasn't possible. A proper chemical toilet looks like a bit of luxury to me. It is my partner that is the issue. Just the very suggestion of using one ended with a look of pure horror, even with me promising that I would handle all of the maintenance/waste disposal. It is a matter of finding some way to convince them that having our own personal toilet in a private toilet tent would be even nicer than having to trek across even the best equipped site in the dark. I have been slowly chipping away at the resistance to camping, but it is really an uphill battle sometimes.

I suppose this is something that I will have to independently prepare and use first to show how it isn't actually bad...


19/5/2024 at 9:42pm
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I used the fan function on my fan heater to try and get some air moving inside the tent when it was hot and sunny, so hot that I had to take the thermoelectric coolbox out of the tent and kept it under the canopy by the kitchen area; otherwise the meats and diary produce would go above 8degC which would be unsafe to eat.

The thermoelectric coolboxes that I had and still have one at the moment for keeping drinks cool, all worked to 16 to 18 degC below ambient.

I struggled to have a snooze inside the tent when it was hot even with the fan on.

For my last tent which was a cotton canvas pyramid, an ESVO Bedouin 340, I had a couple of extra vents put into the living area. However, when it was hot and sunny, it was still too hot to stay inside.

I can do cold, however, I can't stand the heat. I would stay in the shade as much as I could during the day when it was very hot and sunny instead of spending time inside the tent.

As for camping toilet, I had a Kampa Khazi with cat litter (lined with a plastic bag first), only for night time No. 1 only instead of walking to the facilities block especially if it was quite a distance away and the weather was foul.

I did not have a toilet tent, did not see the point being a solo camper - just kept it ready to use under the bed. However, if I were to camp with another person in a tent, I would have considered using a dedicated toilet tent to provide a bit of privacy.

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Why do you need to be inside the tent during the day? I would just put up the tarp in front of the tent and sit under that.

But then I never cook or eat inside the tent unless it is pouring with rain.


28/5/2024 at 10:46pm
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Quote: Originally posted by DeborahTurner on 28/5/2024
Why do you need to be inside the tent during the day? I would just put up the tarp in front of the tent and sit under that.

But then I never cook or eat inside the tent unless it is pouring with rain.



Yup, that's what I did too, outside during the day under the canopy or the tent or the tarp, cooked outside under the canopy of the tent and ate outside unless it was stormy.

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29/5/2024 at 9:51am
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I use a couple of USB charged battery fans, a family shelter/tarp but also in the windows of the tent (when really warm) I put the mirrored screens you put in car windows (these cool the tent down)


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There are roof protectors that deflect sunlight, I think. Designed to protect your (polyester) tent roof from the damaging effect of UV. But would be counter productive on breathable cotton / canvas.

Bell tents with a ZIG can have the side walls rolled up to create a floating top.


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I sit outside, under the tarp, with a glass of something cool in the heat. I wouldn't be sitting in the tent. I find that polycotton is more bearable than poly or nylon when it is hot but it is still stuffy.

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Regarding toilet, for No2’s, use the “lotus flower” method. A cross, or a star, of two lengths of bogroll lining the bowl. When you open the trap, it closes round the aforesaid function to form a neat parcel that just disappears! Then finding your favourite scent of additive also enhances the experience: personal favourite is an organic one called, rather poetically, Nature Calls. Oh, and a few drops of Zoflora in the flush water makes the whole thing smell of a florists shop. ( I don’t think that’s as ecological as the green liquid, but smells super!)

I also endorse the tarp idea. I used to anchor ours with 12” marquee pegs.


03/6/2024 at 2:15am
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Quote: Originally posted by DeborahTurner on 28/5/2024
Why do you need to be inside the tent during the day? I would just put up the tarp in front of the tent and sit under that.



The number one answer to that is sleep. To be able to get enough sleep. Sitting around a fire after dark is one of the great joys of camping. But if it isn't dark until past 10 and we sit out there until midnight, it is impossible to get anywhere near enough sleep to not be miserable the next day. Within half an hour of the sun coming up, the tent is sweltering and it is nearly impossible to sleep.

At the very least, I want to keep the tent comfortable long enough to sleep enough, and at best, for there to be the option of a mid-day nap to escape the worst of the heat during the hottest days. I have a brilliantly comfortable camp bed (better sleep than in my bed at home, once all set up!) so there is no reason to be sleep deprived.

Another answer would probably be privacy. I am still fighting the uphill battle with my partner to camp anywhere without a proper plumbed toilet block. This ultimately means that we end up a bit limited in our options. When I camp, the last thing I want is to interact with people - but when camping on the more built-up sites, it never feels like there is much privacy.

Most other campers are friendly and respectful, but on the bigger sites it feels like there is always one group/couple who have a bit too much to drink and decide to come and chat if you are sitting outside. And they never quite get the hint that you would like to have some quiet relaxation. I would very much like to have the privacy of my tent available as a retreat without sweating constantly.

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Tamyururu, I can’t see where you’re based on the app version (suggestions might be too far away) but many people here would be able to recommend sites that feel like you’re not on a site (ie not built-up) but still have a site toilet & where people would leave you alone.
We’re just back from a favourite : small site, but huge pitches; all grass (feels much less like a formal site that way); very rural (no pubs or shops in walking distance, but walks from the site); several people camping alone (including a young woman on her own); people nodded as they passed but didn’t stop; and immaculate toilets. No campfires though. Drumroamin in Galloway, SW Scotland.
Others could recommend similar small sites that don’t feel like campsites but have a loo. Still comes back to maybe joining CCC for a year to see if their Certificated Sites (for 5) would suit you both. The site search has many of them: just click on “only show” & toilet, to see them near where you are. You might be able to book without needing to show a membership card, depends on the owner.

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