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So what do all you people think of towbar tents, especially the new Thule Outset towbar tent?

I've just got mine (�2800) and have erected and inspected it and will add to my comments as I tell my Thule Outset story.

Firstly, it is classed as a luggage rack for type approval and its hitch clamps on to the towbar ball and holds it firmly place.

Secondly, insurers don't know what to make of it, so the underwriter I final used decided to class it as a caravan. This process was a bit of an endeavour as most insurers refused to insure it. Also, be aware without specific insurance the Outset will only be covered third party by your vehicle insurance and you must declare it that it will result in a modification (the modification is the towbar), unless you already have declared the towbar previously.

It's stated weight is 70kg and it's minimum Skg = 70kg, but you can add another maximum of 5kg if your towbar is rated to Skg = 80 or above (which if you add the optional mattress cover and anti condensation mat will take it to a gross weight of circa 73.75kg).

So let's start from seeing it on the internet... to be continued!


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needlessly expensive for what is basically a camping cot! £3500 plus £700 if you wanted a sun canopy the size of a bed quilt!

too heavy for most cars not just on the tow ball but on the rear axle

the only advantage for it would be the extra space it gives in your boot, but you could do that with a roof box

i really cant see it taking off, even roof tents are cheaper


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I think that they're an interesting idea and avoid needing a ladder to go to the loo. I haven't seen one being used in real life yet so I shall follow your reports with interest.

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Saw this gulped, asked why would you when camplets towed on the tow bar quick erect standing room, kitchen and you can put the kids to bed. What I see is British weather owners sat in the car on a cold wet windy evening looking for somewhere to get a hot drink and a hot meal cos this will not cover it.

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Can’t see the point.
That’s a very expensive tent. If you don’t have room in the car for a tent that’s very much cheaper & as easy to pitch, get a wee trailer that you can also use for taking stuff to the dump & which will also take the stove, bedding etc.
Also, might be a bit cold over snow but ideal on sites that are prone to flooding.

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... the story continues!

So why did I buy it, well already having 3 great tents and having used and got rid of two rooftop tents (because I couldn't get under garage door with them on because with the combined height of vehicle, roof rack and roof tent the garage door height was too low, so I had to load and take off the roof tent with a hydraulic crane and wheel in/out on a board with castors, which was a faff! ). So inadvertently, whilst browsing internet I came across the Thule Outset and it seemed to be just what I needed. There were lots of videos showing how easy it was to load and unload, and to erect the tent in 5 minutes and videos showing it being used on beaches, in rough fields and hilly pitches and this seemed exactly what I needed (as I'm going touring at the end of 2025). Thule stated "The Thule Outset towbar mounted tent will elevate your outdoor experience and offer unparalleled comfort, ease of use and great accessibility." and I thought Thule is an excellent company and the Outset should do what they say, so bought one. I couldn't find any real user reviews though!

Enough of the introduction though, what do I think of it? Well it came super well boxed (on a special pallet) and in a couple of days and on opening it looked a well made piece of kit (but to check it out thoroughly it needed to be towbar mounted and taken some where to roll tent out, which I planned to do as soon as my towbar was fitted).

So the day came when my removable towbar had been fitted and I took the Outset out and as a result I have two scenarios to comment on, the first is flat ground and the second is sloping/uneven ground (which I shall address in my next post).

So, If used on flat ground the Outset will potentially work as indicated on the videos, and it is generally well made, it states it can accommodate 3 persons, but really its only two adults (as its less wide than a double bed, but they can be tall as the tent is long). The legs are adjustable, but on my vehicle (a VW Caddy van) when fitting they almost touched the ground at the front (towbar end), so there was little to adjust as the area was flat. Thule obviously expect water to get between the tent and the board that supports it as there is a strap supplied to lift the tent when it gets wet to dry out the bottom (hence the optional anti condensation mat is useful for condensation and stopping any wet from the base rising in to the mattress). The outset has internal storage pockets at the towbar end (which is actually the best place to lean against to read a book or watch a video, so if you fill the pockets you can't comfortably lean against them, unless they are soft) and cargo nets at the front end (which couldn't be further away from you if you are laying with head at back). Thule states it can be built in 5 minutes, well that's not likely, as you have to remove the cover (which is tricky), unclip the leg supports, roll out the tent, fit the rain cover and supports and if windy fit supplied guy ropes (so actually some two men quick erect tents can be built faster, I know because I had one!). The towbar is clamped by the Outset hitch, you have to get that right when loading or the Outset will not sit straight at the back (and as it clamps you cant adjust it in position as if you release the clamp you need to have already put the Outset wheels on the ground, and the wheels are fixed not castors so you cant nudge left or right to get central and aligned). If you disconnect your vehicle and drive off (and tent is assembled), when you return you need to reverse to the Outset and get get your towbar exactly in the position for the hitch clamp to locate properly (this will not be easy for a solo camper, especially if their vehicle doesn't have a reversing camera. And remember the Outset is not designed to be moved when erected, so the only option is to ignore this and lift and tug it about, which if you are on your own isn't the easiest thing to do, especially if you have to lift it and get the hitch straight/parallel to the back too and are the driver). You must be able to access the tent pitch area with your vehicle (if you can't, then you cant use the tent)... so next post is slopes and uneven ground :(


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Yep, an interesting idea indeed, but not so well thought out as I had expected and certainly with unexpected limitations.


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I've camped in snow and sub zero temperatures in a roof tent, and when it rains in Great Langdale and the campsites flood, and the Outset is pretty much built like a roof tent, but on legs, and I think the tent part of the Outset will perform as well as a roof top tent, so long as the water doesn't go too high (I used the flooding as a good excuse to leave my RTT and go to the Old Dungeon Ghyll for a pie and pint).


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Quote: Originally posted by robclane on 16/8/2024
I've camped in snow and sub zero temperatures in a roof tent, and when it rains in Great Langdale and the campsites flood, and the Outset is pretty much built like a roof tent, but on legs, and I think the tent part of the Outset will perform as well as a roof top tent, so long as the water doesn't go too high (I used the flooding as a good excuse to leave my RTT and go to the Old Dungeon Ghyll for a pie and pint).



tell me please, do they still have that big old mangle at the toilet block on the campsite there at dungeon ghyll?



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I don't know about the big old mangle as I tend to stay at the national trust campsite on opposite side of valley. Its a good camp site providing there isn't any heavy rain (as it tends to flood and become a river).


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... final part, slopes and uneven ground!. Well simply, if there is a slight slope or uneven ground where you are going to pitch the Outset will not easily be able to cope with it, I highlighted my thoughts to Thule Consumer Services and they agreed and said "If the ground is sloping then yes there can be issues but setting up camp on sloping ground is something to avoid", that answer didn't help me!

So the first very slight slope I encountered was on the road outside my garage. I had to load on the road as I don't have a drive way, even though the slope was slight the Outset still wanted to roll towards the vehicle when trying to attach the hitch to towball (which as you are holding the handle and trying to operate the hitch towball clamp and align the thing straight is not easy, and the end of the hitch nearly went into the van back door). Also, if you try to stop the Outset rolling forward with a foot, then as you lower the hitch to the towball the Outset rolls backwards up the slope and ends up flat on floor, and yep I did that and damaged an indicator. Also, after several attempts to get the Outset hitched straight, I couldnt as it kept veering off slightly as I clamped it, so drove off with it slightly squiff.

I then took it to a site, sites can be fairly level, but very seldom level, and more often slightly sloping and uneven, so to check the Outset out I took it to the later. When I arrived I reversed it up a very slight slope, removed cover and began the process of rolling out tent, I noticed straight away that the hitch end legs were basically on the ground so couldn't be adjusted and that the legs at other end were very slightly higher, and when Id finished erecting tent tried to disconnect hitch from towball but it didn't want to budge, so had to start the van and move a tiny bit back and then trying again was able to disconnect, but with quite a bit of tugging. So then I tried to put the clamp straight back on ball, but the Outset had moved slightly (by itself) and the clamp wouldn't go on, so I had to physically lift & move the Outset to enable me to do so (the Outset doesn't seem to like being moved manually!).

I won't continue with my own pitching saga as by now you must get my point, slopes and uneven ground are not ideal for the Outset. If you think of the pitches you have been on, the Outset and the vehicle on it could be sloped, twisted and standing on uneven ground ground in different directions, and a fixed clamp hitch and a tent structure without wheels cannot cope with it (unlike a caravan or trailer tents where the hitch doesn't clamp and moves on the towball and they can be manoeuvred on their wheels). The adjustable legs aren't any help, because if you level the Outset by lifting manually, this leaves the vehicle unlevel so wont connect to the towball.

This all means pitching the Outset and then unhitching to drive to the beach will be a pain when returning to hitch, as firstly you have to reverse exactly to where the ball clamp comes down and you have to ensure that the erected Outset is exactly aligned to the centre of the van (so it clamps on straight), you then have to unlevel the Outset so the hitch clamp is perpendicular with the towball, and then cross your fingers and hope that it will locate.

My final words on this post are:

If the ground is flat The Thule Outset towbar mounted tent will elevate your outdoor experience and offer unparalleled comfort, ease of use and great accessibility, but if it slopes or is uneven it won't. Its a shame really as much of the Outsets concept works for me, but unfortunately in the real camping world of varying types of pitches it definitely doesn't.
I do have 3 other exceptional normal tents, so all is not lost!, but me advice is don't unhitch if you can avoid it (but that's unlikely as you wont be able to level the tent if you don't).

Sorry to be so boring about this, but I needed to rant, as I had hoped for better from Thule.




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Quote: Originally posted by robclane on 17/8/2024
I don't know about the big old mangle as I tend to stay at the national trust campsite on opposite side of valley. Its a good camp site providing there isn't any heavy rain (as it tends to flood and become a river).



yes thats the site i was asking about,and oh yes i know all about the site turning into a river, the ground sheet was trying one morning to make a run for it from inside the tent, thankfully the kids where inside a sealed bedroom compartment, but thought it really funny having to put their wellies on just to get up and still wearing their pj's! mum and dad didnt have such luxury tho, as we where just on an air bed that was floating around inside.



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Thanks for a really interesting review on this tow bar tent. Let's just hope that anyone looking at buying one comes across this thread as I found it very informative and unbiased. Question is, are you keeping it?

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There's a section on here for tent etc reviews. Maybe copy and paste most of your useful report onto there?


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Hi, yes I am keeping it, but it will mean I can only pitch at sites with flat pitches that are accessible for Outset and vehicle. As I have a variety of tents I'll take an extra one that can be pitched anywhere (obviously I would have preferred to just take the Outset to sleep in), especially as I also bought a berghaus air shelter to go with the Outset (so that's two tents to pack, and so much for saving space in the vehicle). I bought the Berghaus as it actually is quick to erect, and gives a place to get of the sun and rain (the Outset is OK for good weather, but even if you have an awning you will need a place to shelter properly from wind and rain and to put your cooking stuff etc). I'm sure it's easier to go to an Airbnb :)


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Hi, It was meant to be more of a moan than a review originally. I just seemed to keep writing though :) Thanks for your suggestion, I shall take a look!



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