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02/4/2006 at 2:30pm
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Hi all

Been using UK campsite now for the last 4 years, great for advice etc.  But first time with a post.  Just purchased the Khyam Frontier Excelsior from Outdoor Megastore, I know it's an older model, but the extra headroom and it being a Khyam (easier to setup) sold it to me.

Set it up in the garden earlier in the week, managed to set it up on my own and without intructions in an hour.  Should be quicker next time!

Anybody out there had one of these? 

Cheers

Mad as a camper!

 

Cheers

 



06/4/2006 at 12:23am
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Hi Stuw,
Was tempted by this offer myself, especially because it has the 4ox fabric instead of the thinner stuff they use now. Strangely, I can't find any other info on the web apart from on Outdoor Megastores site! Surely, with all the Khyam owners hanging around here, somebody else must own one!
From the tiny pic, the living space (5mx3m looks huge, and the bedrooms look to have full standing room. Is this right? How big are the bedrooms? Do they have any dividers?
Do you have any pics you could upload to your gallery?


06/4/2006 at 8:49am
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Hi Skinflint

I took just one photo last week, but I am camping week after next (barring a typhoon) and will take plenty to upload.  It withstood a few good downpours and wind last week in the garden with no problems.

I have been searching all over the web, little or no info or feedback, considering Outdoor Megastore say this was a once best selling tent!

That said I am very impressed with the Frontier, it does have bags of room, and the 1 meter porches at both ends, well one will make a handy kitchen area for sure. If your tall and don't like walking on all fours, or stooping in a tent the frontier is a must, plenty of headroom.

It was made in December 2001, but the ridgepole system has not changed, and your right it also has the 4oz fabric.  I was considering the new XXL Excelsior which Kyham have been promising since the beginning of the year, and I was going to buy the extra porch for that, so the Frontier is a saving.

Hope that helps.

Mad as a camper!



06/4/2006 at 9:10am
 Location: Rochdale Lancashire
 Outfit: Khyam XXL Ranger & Aspen PT Cruiser
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Blimey Stu.. that must be one serious garden to fit an Exelsior !! I bet you can see it from the space shuttle !!

We've often drooled over the Khyam 'Big Boys', the Exelsior, Espace, Ultimate etc. but where's only two of us and an '02 vintage 4oz. XXL with just one inner leaves plenty of room for us. The headroom at each end of the tent is what I'd buy one for but the XXL is fine in every other respect, Rapidex.. what a system ! I'll never go back to threading glass fibre poles through flysheet sleeves again.

The video on Khyam's site, of the bloke putting up the new model doesn't half show how much lighter the fabric is on the latest versions of Ridgidomes though. Ours is 4 years old now with a couple of patches where someone fell near it and showered it with sparks from a lit fag we reckon.. oh and a tiny tear in the 'J' door window that we fixed with a couple of car stickers, one on the inside and one on the outside.. worked a treat. It's been lashed with rain and hail and Lord knows what, we've always been warm and dry inside (if not a bit deafened by the noise of a serious hail storm !!) 



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06/4/2006 at 3:09pm
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Hi Barry,

Lol, your right tis big enough to be seen in outer space for sure, there wasn't much garden left once it's put up.  I was thinking of applying for retrospective planning permission from the council when it was up! 

Your right about the XXL it's a good tent saw one on display at Camperlands last week and surprised how much headroom was.  The Rapidex system is very good, and I am now a Kyham convert!

They'll be 3 of us camping this year me and my 2 boys, still can't get the OH to give it a go!   

Glad to hear yours is still going strong, with regards the 4oz v 2oz and having seen both there does not seem a great deal of difference. The guy in the video is speeded up a bit I'm sure.

Mad as a camper

   



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06/4/2006 at 4:16pm
 Location: Rochdale Lancashire
 Outfit: Khyam XXL Ranger & Aspen PT Cruiser
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We bought ours from Camperlands.. management loves going there, we always come away wit summat... last time it was a wardrobe and pantry ! They're great, heavy canvas, floor level shelf, rail, an upper shelf and cool chrome poles. Ali has them up in a heartbeat and our stuff gets hung up !! Civilised or what ?? The pantry is dead handy too, they stand either side of the inner and we have a table and chairs over where the other inner would go and a three burner cooker just by the 'J' door. All this and a fully fitted groundsheet.. we love our old XXL !  

We're thinking of going to the Aussie Christmas do in July, maybe see you there..



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24/4/2006 at 2:48pm
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Hi Stuw,
I have bought one of these of Ebay at the end of last year (risky I know probably would have better off buying new) and still havent managed to put it up as have a small patio. Luckly live next to a park so will go over and put it up soon. I have 6ft 14 year old twin boys so was swayed by the extra head room. I am glad is was easy to put up as have been dreading trying as I usually go on my own with the boys. Unfortunatly I havent got the footprint ground sheet so looking out now. Not sure I can lift it out the car as its massive!
Ruby



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We have looked at the Frontier deal at Outdoor Megastore vs the Ridgipod Excelsior deal at Aspinalls, vs the Cabanon Biscaya, and still can't make our minds up! It seems they all have plus and minus points and, being ditherers, we can't decide which is right for us!

It is interesting that Stuw says the Frontier was made in Dec '01 as we were a bit worried they might date from '03 (advised by campers on this site that the year Khyam used the wrong sized needle).

We have been doing the 'ol 4oz x 2oz debate, wondering if the Ridgipod would offer more flexibility, then asking if the Frontier meant less poles etc etc. Then we saw the Biscaya, which seemed fab until we went inside on a warm day and nearly melted! Then there is the bedroom configuration; we much prefer the separate bedrooms afforded by the Ridgipod, but then worry it will not be light and airy enough!

Oh my gawd, will it never end?

So, questions to Stuw and Skinflint, please: what made you take the plunge with the particular models you purchased, and do you feel that you made the right choice?

(By the time we make our minds up, the offers will surely have sold out!)



24/4/2006 at 11:50pm
 Location: Worksop
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I went for the Ridgipod in the end. From what I can tell, there's at as much living space as the Frontier, but the sheer flexibility of being able to have 1 - 3 bedrooms, or just the 4 person porch inner, the choice of 3 diffrent zip in panels (you get a J door with small window, a full width half window, and a full width and height window to choose from), means you can make it as big and light and airy as you like. I did have concerns over the gloom compared to the "daylight" Outwells, due to the blue fabric. But in fact it's just right - there's plenty of light when you need it (the skylights help) but dark enough to avoid being cooked at sunrise.

Downside of the Ridgi-pod? Well, it's not easy as you think to put up. Sure the main unit goes up in 15 minutes - but the rest of the poles and pegging out took us another hour. And getting the feet of three poles into one anchor hole on each corner was an absolute pain. Why on earth they didn't make a foot with 3 holes I don't know. I'm probably going to have to engineer something myself if we're going to avoid all the swearing next time!

So I guess the big advantage of the Frontier is simplicity and ease of erection, while giving you the space of a Ridgipod with 2 pods (ish). From the look of the roof, the bedrooms also might be a bit taller at the back? And unless you have a spare Transit to take it all, the Ridgi-pod can offer a little too much choice and flexibility - just which doors and bedrooms do you take or leave home?

I suspect that may be one reason why the Ridgi-pod was dropped. Compared to the rest of the range, and the simplicity of Rapidex, a full pod outfit is a fairly complex beast (with all the more scope for bits like zips to go wrong). From looking at comments here, and newer tents like the Nebraska/Montana, I imagine it's not that much quicker to put up either (especially with those darn legs, and all the pegging out). That said, I know I've made the right decision for us, and I'm well happy with the purchase (the space inside is awesome). I'm sure we'll get better with practice now we know where all the bits go!



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25/4/2006 at 9:38am
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its funny how you don't see them trying to put all the foot poles into one anchor hole on the dvd eh skintflint!!

i can probably put my roma 6 up about the same time as i can with the ridgipod,but its the sheer ease with which i can erect the ridgipod that makes it head and shoulders over the likes of the pole threading tents on the market and the fact that not once did i have to get on my hands and knees and break out into a sweat like i normally would have trying to erect a family tent.

my missus came with me last time i erected it on a field,she asked if she could help but i wanted to do it all on my own again as thats the whole point of buying it.shes can nip to the shops or take our daughter to the park whilst i put the whole lot up which serves many bonus factors for us such as trying to keep an eye on our daugher while trying to erect something that needs the strength of an army to lift into position,avoids the heated swearing match that usually accompanies the task above,and means i can play around with the doors etc etc without the missus saying,"for gods sake,its only a tent!!"

i opted for this model for its sheer flexibility.i can take just the porch inner tent for a quick weekender,or i can take along a pod for a long bankholiday weekend for some extra storage space,or i can take along the pod bedrooms to add even more living,storage and sleeping space and can even accomadate the occasional visit from the outlaws/other members of the clan/family.

not only that,some sites will not tolerate a tent above a 6 man size,so i have the option to go small for these sites,then go large for the sites that allow whatever goes up.

i haven't used mine on a trip yet,our first will be this weekend if all goes to plan,but so long as it doesn't leak or anything fall off it or break i'll be as happy as a pig in mud with mine.

oh,and it looks the dogs back undercarrige too!



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25/4/2006 at 10:02am
 Location: Rochdale Lancashire
 Outfit: Khyam XXL Ranger & Aspen PT Cruiser
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I've just had a glimpse at the Outdoor Megastore site and a penny change from 500 beer vouchers is a damned good price for a dancehall sized Frontier ! There's only two of us but you know what.. if we were buying I think we'd go for this bad boy !

As it is, we're happy with our old XXL and we'll be upgrading it with one o' them there Classic Annexes .. the colours won't match our '02 40z maroon but what the hell.. 9 sq metres of extra living space and 3 extra windows for a oner is a no brainer we reckon. Sling it over while the tent's "on it's knees" and the job's a good 'un.



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25/4/2006 at 5:30pm
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Hi all

Went camping for 3 nights, first use of the Frontier and impressed, bags of room.  I will get round to uploading some pics.  The main bedroom has a divider curtain, which is easily folded up to make a much larger bedroom, 3 of us in there with more than enough room.

The second bedroom we used as a storeroom, come changing room, but you could sleep another 3 in there quite easily.  You could eaven un hook this other room and have an even bigger living area!

We found having the 1 meter annexe at each side usefull as well, we could stick the cooking table at either end more than easily if the weather turned nasty and still have more than a decent living area. 

There is also good headroom in the bedroom's, I'm 5'10 and this was one of my main reasons for getting the Frontier, I don't like stooping (it does my back in).

In the Kyham it tells you near the door the year and month of manufacturer hence knowing the date of Dec 01.       

Hope that helps

 

mad as a camper   




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