Home

   Log in or Register



Insurance Quotes
forums Campsite Search Comp Directory tips virtual brochure Profile
Tent and Awning Reviews Competitions Caravans and Motorhomes For Sale Shopping Diary Advent Calendar

Advertisement

Message Forums

Welcome Guest Register Login Search The Forum Posts Since Last Visit
 Reception - All Forums
   Caravans and Caravanning -  Caravan Repairs, Servicing and Maintenance
Share   Post on X / Twitter  Share on Facebook  Email  Printer Friendly Version Print
Subject Topic: What on earth causes new(ish) caravans to
Page:  1  2 Post Reply Post New Topic
25/6/2012 at 3:19pm
 Location: Lancashire
 Outfit: Caravan now Sold
View michael's Profile View Profile   Reply to michael Reply   Quote michael Quote  
Joined: 30/6/2002

Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   23517

Site Reviews Total: 1
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

A caravan mechanic said to me that Baileys were awful but Elddis were quite good. just going on his own experience.

our caravan mobile engineer said the opposite.

Does anyone know what are the most damp free makes? or does it really depend on the fitter's mood on the day.

there is none,its all luck on the day you buy it.there used to be a saying if it does not leak in the first three years it is not going too.if i had to pick one i would say coachman.



Post last edited on 25/06/2012 15:29:22

-------------
the only silly question is the one you do not ask.


26/6/2012 at 12:38am
 Location: 
 Outfit: 
View romany's Profile View Profile   Reply to romany Reply   Quote romany Quote  
Joined: 28/4/2003

Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   7379

Site Reviews Total: 7
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 1  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 1

Can't wait for the Japs to do to the caravan industry what they did to our crap car and motorcycle industry in the mean time I will never waste my money on a new useless piece of junk caravan


26/6/2012 at 7:38am
 Location: plymouth
 Outfit: Ford Kuga Swift challenger
View trottster's Profile View Profile   Reply to trottster Reply   Quote trottster Quote  
Joined: 31/5/2006

Gold Member
Gold Member

Forum Posts:   275

Site Reviews Total: 2
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

I work for a large motor company & I can assure you cars do leak but not on a big scale like caravans. I think caravan manufacturers need to up there game & give what we are paying for , quality.


26/6/2012 at 8:44am
 Location: Morecambe
 Outfit: Daystar `91 + Berlingo
View peterws's Profile View Profile   Reply to peterws Reply   Quote peterws Quote  
Joined: 25/10/2011

Platinum Member
Platinum Member

Forum Posts:   621

Site Reviews Total: 0
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

It is just so sad to hear a lot of this.  British caravans look great, have a long pedigree like the cars and m/bikes  . . . .Is it so difficult to make `em waterproof?

Watch out for a manufacturer who`ll offer a 15 year new for old guarantee against water ingress . . . will include expensive (yearly) servicing of course.  . .

I`ll buy a fully serviced 15 year old one



-------------
Peripheral people don`t have as much excitement but they sure live longer


26/6/2012 at 9:40am
 Location: Hants
 Outfit: Fleetwood Heritage 640 EB & ML270
View Al+Mel's Profile View Profile   Reply to Al+Mel Reply   Quote Al+Mel Quote  
Joined: 18/9/2010

Platinum Member
Platinum Member

Forum Posts:   1312

Site Reviews Total: 0
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

I don't think the make or age of a caravan is any indicator of its likelihood to leak.

The fact that 'vans are put together with soft, non setting sealant, then get a complete vibro-massage every time they are taken on the road means that any 'van could start leaking at any time.

This is a sad fact, but owners need to be proactive about the situation and test for water ingress regularly with a good damp meter. If you know about a problem early enough, its a leak, and can usually be fixed by resealing something. If you don't know about a water ingress problem until your next service your leak could well have become galloping rot and could cost thousands to fix.

We got one of these;
Protimeter Surveymaster
secondhand for about £90 and think it is essential caravanning equipment. The readings on these are not affected by condensation, don't leave holes and are accurate. We think its better to spend money on one of these than suffer a massive repair with all its cost and inconvenience, because we couldn't check the 'van properly.


Advertisement



26/6/2012 at 10:39am
 Location: None Entered
 Outfit: None Entered
View alpiner's Profile View Profile   Reply to alpiner Reply   Quote alpiner Quote  
Joined: 08/7/2009

Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   2264

Site Reviews Total: 1
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

Watch the first video to see the crude method of overlapping joints, just hammered over and stappled how crude is that.
the second video is a step in the right direction but watch as they rely on big globs of mastic on some of the joints, big improvement yes but lets get rid of the wood in the pannels and have injection mouldings for the panels with larger overlaps.
I used to have a one piece fibreglass car that is now 40 years old that is still going and not leaking
whos going to be first????????????.
video 1.
video 2

-------------
alpiner


26/6/2012 at 7:14pm
 Location: Morecambe
 Outfit: Daystar `91 + Berlingo
View peterws's Profile View Profile   Reply to peterws Reply   Quote peterws Quote  
Joined: 25/10/2011

Platinum Member
Platinum Member

Forum Posts:   621

Site Reviews Total: 0
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

Great videos, thanks for that!  Construction looks OK - but could be so much better I reckon wrt water ingress likelihood.  . . .time will tell wi these new models.

-------------
Peripheral people don`t have as much excitement but they sure live longer


27/6/2012 at 12:06pm
 Location: 
 Outfit: 
View Fenwicks's Profile View Profile   Reply to Fenwicks Reply   Quote Fenwicks Quote  
Joined: 23/3/2011


Guest

Forum Posts:   34

Site Reviews Total: 0
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

Quote: Originally posted by michael on 25/6/2012

A caravan mechanic said to me that Baileys were awful but Elddis were quite good. just going on his own experience.

our caravan mobile engineer said the opposite.

Does anyone know what are the most damp free makes? or does it really depend on the fitter's mood on the day.

there is none,its all luck on the day you buy it.there used to be a saying if it does not leak in the first three years it is not going too.if i had to pick one i would say coachman.



Post last edited on 25/06/2012 15:29:22
Hi Micheal, a dealer told me that if you could find a dry bailey he would put it in a museum


27/6/2012 at 8:17pm
 Location: crewe
 Outfit: Elddis Xplore 302 and Nissan Campervan
View dinkum's Profile View Profile   Reply to dinkum Reply   Quote dinkum Quote  
Joined: 04/2/2008

Platinum Member
Platinum Member

Forum Posts:   633

Site Reviews Total: 7
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

From experience with fibreglass  caravans I would look for a fibreglass model. Freedom ( from Poland) are effectively seamless and ours ( a 1996 model) is bone dry throughout. Look for seamless build, especially in the roof construction. Not sure which UK made caravans are fibreglass though. Sorry.Also  I think that better sealing is possible where seams DO occur with fibrglass than with aluminium sheet.

-------------
cramming for my finals in the twilight zone


27/6/2012 at 8:41pm
 Location: Hants
 Outfit: Fleetwood Heritage 640 EB & ML270
View Al+Mel's Profile View Profile   Reply to Al+Mel Reply   Quote Al+Mel Quote  
Joined: 18/9/2010

Platinum Member
Platinum Member

Forum Posts:   1312

Site Reviews Total: 0
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

Not that many British GRP built caravans about. Some of the older "boat roof" designs had GRP lids and some caravans have GRP outer skins. I think it comes down to weight. British 'vans are built with VERY thin aluminium outer skins, then foam and softwood framing, then thin ply. Swap any part for GRP and you will add weight and as British cars tend to be lighter than some, you can't add too much weight.

Adria are using GRP outer skins now and Bailey use GRP inner skins on alutech 'vans, but the rest haven't changed much for decades.


Advertisement



30/6/2012 at 11:30am
 Location: Clevedon
 Outfit: CRV 2.2 i-DETEC & Bailey Pegasus 534
View Andy JC's Profile View Profile   Reply to Andy JC Reply   Quote Andy JC Quote  
Joined: 02/9/2005

Silver Member
Silver Member

Forum Posts:   166

Site Reviews Total: 0
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

Bailey Orion's are built using the Alutech method but use fibreglass outer shells as opposed to aluminium on the other models.

Six jays; I assume your dealer is not a Bailey dealer and is hoping to sell you another make?!.
As for a dry Bailey.. I assure you mine is bone dry but you're not gonna put it in a museum!!

Even if you had some water ingress in an Alutech van, aside from the floor there's not much that will be affected by damp anyway. Aluminium, plastic foam and GRP could all be submerged in water for a long time before any problems occurred. You could make a boat or submarine out of these materials let alone a caravan. Alutech vans are not perfect but they are a huge step in the right direction imho.


30/6/2012 at 3:28pm
 Location: Lancashire
 Outfit: Caravan now Sold
View michael's Profile View Profile   Reply to michael Reply   Quote michael Quote  
Joined: 30/6/2002

Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   23517

Site Reviews Total: 1
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

Even if you had some water ingress in an Alutech van, aside from the floor there's not much that will be affected by damp anyway. Aluminium, plastic foam and GRP could all be submerged in water for a long time before any problems occurred. You could make a boat or submarine out of these materials let alone a caravan. Alutech vans are not perfect but they are a huge step in the right direction imho.

have read of two or three leaking at the front.



-------------
the only silly question is the one you do not ask.



In order to post a reply you will need to register, or if already registered please log in here

  Prev       Next

Jump To Page:  1  2

Quick Links - All Forums - Caravan Repairs, Servicing and Maintenance - Top of Page

Printer Friendly Version Printable version      Share   Post on X / Twitter  Share on Facebook  Email


Latest News, Discounts and Competitions  see all...














3176 Visitors online !

Free UKCampsite.co.uk Window Sticker  -  Recommend to Friend  -  Add a Missing Campsite

[Message Forums]  [Caravan Sites & Camping]  [Company Listings]  [Features / Advice]  [Virtual Brochure]  [Shop!]
[Reception]  [Competitions]  [Caravans & Motorhomes For Sale]  [Event Diary]  [Contact Us]  [Tent Reviews



Please note we are not responsible for the content of external sites & any reviews represent the author's personal view only. Please report any error here. You may view our privacy and cookie policy and terms and conditions here. All copyrights & other intellectual property rights in the design and content of this web site are reserved to the UKCampsite.co.uk © 1999 - 2024


Advertisement


Advertisement


UKCampsite.co.uk
2024 Advent Calendar


Advent Calendar

24 Daily Prizes PLUS a Christmas Day Star Prize worth £999

Request a Reminder