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Subject Topic: Delamination repair, but floor isnt level
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24/8/2012 at 8:39am
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One other thing I will add is that on my van, similar to yours someone had tried to screw the floor together. They had inserted 10 screws about 10 cm apart in two's down the length of the floor and had bolted underneath the van to the screw to hold the floor in place. All this ensured was that when we stood on the floor it moved the whole floor down (dipping) because of the screw in the floor! When we did the repair we removed the screws and observed underneath for play/dipping and were impressed to see it had reduced (although still there), removing the screws was an improvement. We then carried out the delamination repair on the front section of the van up to the fire. Left for 48 hours and then observed the underfloor again. This was very interesting because although only the front of the van had been treated the whole of the floor had improved dramatically from underneath. Inside the van the untreated floor was exactly the same, spongey with squeaking, but underneath the play/dipping had reduced dramatically. Now the whole floor has been repaired the movement/dipping has gone completely.

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17/2/2013 at 1:24pm
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So, I am very sorry about this, but three months later I have an update on my delaminated floor.

It was too much to put in to one post on here as to the job and what's gone on since, but I've done a blog here :

http://www.davidmbell.com/elddis/delamination/

Its worth a read as it doesn't end too well for me I'm afraid. The caravan is fine, just I wasn't!

Cheers,

David


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David, excellent job but my you don't do things by halves - you certainly did a good job of falling of that ladder!!! ouch! Glad to hear you are on the mend and i'm sure all your had work and sacrifice will be worth it when you are holidaying in it.

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17/2/2013 at 5:49pm
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Thanks Karen, it's been hard going, stuck at home not able to move. I've had great support though and even been down to the 'van a couple of times for a 'fix'.

Just hope this shows others what can be done reasonably easily and with time a patience.

David


18/2/2013 at 7:18pm
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Top job there David well done  .
Could you let me know if it's ok to place a link on my website to your webpage so your repair can inspire other caravaners .
I normally get up a pair of steps to wash my caravan roof and you do end up at quite a height, your accident has got me thinking i should take a bit more care when i get up there .
Get well soon  

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18/2/2013 at 7:31pm
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Yes that's fine, although in time I will amend it so that it doesn't have the fall / injury pics.

The ladders were the type that can be a traditional extending type (the tall ones that a window cleaner might use) but they also hinge at the top (like an A without the horizontal part / or an upside down V).

It was in the A shape I had them and as I moved them they unhinged at the top. I then climed to the top two rungs with legs either side of the apex. It was the ladders that collapsed rather than me falling off, if that makes sense. Left leg ended up in between two rungs and bent wrong way... Ouch!

Looking back it was stupid thing to do and I was rushing. Won't do that again soon! Or not without being much more careful with the ladders.

David



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23/2/2013 at 10:39pm
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Thanks David link is now on my site here http://www.1carpc.co.uk/wcdr/favorites.htm
Btw was up my steps today removing my caravan cover , i remembered your accident and went very carefully , i was thinking of maybe adding 2 pieces of box section aluminium to the bottom of the steps so to increase the foot print that the steps have , hopefully this would make the steps more secure on the ground .

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02/3/2013 at 11:00pm
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Quote: Originally posted by davidmbell on 26/6/2012
Been up to the caravan this evening on the way home from work, and (in my work suit) took up the caravan carpet, then shot several videos from the underside of the caravan with my iphone, while I walked about inside the van.

I'm alarmed at how much the floor flexes. (I'm 14 1/2 stone).

There's three videos - two without the corner steadies down, and one with. Watch carefully in the centre of the two 'beams' that seem to run back to front...

View in FULL screen mode

Video 1 slight angle (steadies not down)

Video 2 straight down van (steadies not down)

Video 3 straight down van (steadies down)

Talking of these two 'beams' I looked at about five other caravans of varying ages on our storage site and NONE had anything similar to this.. Inc another Crown van. Why does my caravan have two additional beams, running 3/4 of the length of the van, in parallel about a foot and half apart, and screwed into the caravan floor.....?

I am thinking the previous owner has had this done themselves in order to possibly fix previous existing delamination. (It only had ONE previous owner from new, and they had it 'maintained' by their nephew who was a BMW engineer...)

There's huge screws and washers in the floor of the van that line up with these beams. Surely this would just 'compress' whatever insulation was one there' and make the delamination even worse!!!!!!

Screws and washers running down length of inside of van:


The 'beam's running parallel front to back underneath:


So, thoughts... do I unscrew these beams, let them drop and see how the floor is?

Its clearly pretty shot, but will the delamincation repair fix this? Should it bow that much????

Help!

David

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Went to the caravan today and took another video now that the floor has had the delam repair.

If you look at the one's above from my post months ago, you can see the whole floor bowed as I walked on it.

Now, I can barely see any dip - it does still dip but nothing like as bad, and the 'beams' on the underside are no longer there pulling the rest of the floor down.

Video 4 straight down van - AFTER Delamination repair (steadies down)

Cheers,

David


03/3/2013 at 10:57am
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just read your blog david ,congrads on a job well done .but what a nightmare ending.hope your up and out soon .best wishes


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Hi Dave,impressive,had trouble seeing the very slight movement. Has your pipe come apart underneath, top right of video??


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03/3/2013 at 4:10pm
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Yes it has probably knocked it at some stage. It's now on the list I jobs!

Thanks

David


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Hello,

I'm new on this forum.
Some time ago i realised i have delamination in my caravan (old Adria one)- tnx to this and some other web sites. Everything is quite straight-forward to me but I'm out of UK, from Slovenia. I'm trying some time now, but cannot get delamionation kit shipped to Slovenia. Can anyone help with order, or maybe point to some other products similar to Apollo epoxy mix? Maybe some kind of glue that is used for parquet?

Btw: sorry for rusty english


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Quote: Originally posted by romzi on 11/3/2013
Hello,

I'm new on this forum.
Some time ago i realised i have delamination in my caravan (old Adria one)- tnx to this and some other web sites. Everything is quite straight-forward to me but I'm out of UK, from Slovenia. I'm trying some time now, but cannot get delamionation kit shipped to Slovenia. Can anyone help with order, or maybe point to some other products similar to Apollo epoxy mix? Maybe some kind of glue that is used for parquet?

Btw: sorry for rusty english



Have you looked at this in Germany? http://www.ebay.de/itm/2800g-Epoxidharz-Harzsystem-niedrigviskos-farblos-Laminierharze-SP-E55L-Karbon-/1510073LINK


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Wow, thanks. Looks quite promising. Another option I guess is to ask some local ahesive producers or dealers here in slovenia.


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Could someone please post or PM the datasheet for OneShot Resin. (THIS ONE)I guess i found similar product here


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It is Icema R 145/12.




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