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Subject Topic: Mystery overheating – end of my tether !
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14/4/2008 at 1:52am
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14/4/2008 at 7:17am
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I had the same thing with a Triumph Herald. Ran fine all day, but hit a motor way and it over heated. After changing a cylinder head, thermostat and radiator, it turned out that the spring in the radiator cap was week. As the engine revs increased, the water pressure increased and got pushed out of the radiator cap. As the water level dropped, the temperature went up. Before shelling out a fortune on a radiator, get a new cap. I would be 80% confident that is the problem.


14/4/2008 at 9:25am
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i first thought that too but it would have shown obvious with the coolant level so i dismissed it offhand .. you did check the coolant level when it overheated didn't you julianp??errm  thought not .. buy a new cap then first and report back ..


14/4/2008 at 12:19pm
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Hi folks

Thanks for all your replies. A question was raised about coolant level. Well, after each episode of overheating I checked the level the following day when everything had cooled down and the level had dropped significantly, I need to add a couple of pints. I had assumed that this was because a valve somewhere had released the steaming hot water to prevent the entire system from blowing up.

One thing to add, while towing it's not the revs that are causing the problem, as I hit a hill I press the accelerator for more power but remain in the same gear so the revs remain the same, after a couple of minutes the temperature rises.

Also, took it for a blast (solo) down a quiet dual carriageway one evening, 80mph for a good 20 minutes, including hills, no problem whatsoever.



14/4/2008 at 1:56pm
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Julia,

Check with your mechanic as to where he got the replacement pump from.

There was an issue with VW water pumps where when the pump got hot the impeller slipped on the shaft thus causing overheating when put under load.

Seat (& VW) only supply the latest type of pump that should be a cure for the problem, but there are a lot of the earlier type of pumps about from non Seat/VW suppliers

If the pump supplied has the VW part number 038 121 011 CX its the earlier type for the 1.9TDi, what you want is 038 121 011 JX which is the later type



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14/4/2008 at 4:22pm
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It could also be a head gasket. This doesn't always give an oil / water mix, it all depends whether it has blown into the oilways. It will cause high pressure in the radiator and often traces of excess water in the exhaust. It can be checked with a gadget that goes on in place of the radiator cap and changes colour in the presense of combustion gasses.

To be honest, if it has been over heating, it is likely that the head gasket has been damaged anyway, so fixing that still may not stop the overheating. Pumps usually leak long before they fail and it is quite rare these days for radiators to gunge up, especially if you are using a decent quality anti-freeze. Most garages will do a head gasket test for free in the hope of getting the job of repairing it, but I woould certainly change the radiator cap, after doing 3 head gaskets on my Triumph Herald, one of which was at the side of the road in Weston Super Mare in the rain.


15/4/2008 at 1:40pm
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GEORGEB   post is very interesting ..all a venues must be explored to rectify the overheating so a phone call is in the pipeline here i should think " julia"  


16/4/2008 at 9:11pm
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Have you got to the bottom of this yet?


18/4/2008 at 4:46pm
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Spoke to the mechanic today - he seemed more annoyed than me. Will be going in next Friday for investigation. Let's pray it's not the head gasket.


25/4/2008 at 8:30pm
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Bad news today. The car originally overheated as the 10 pence water pump originally fitted by VW failed. The boiling water in turn has damaged head gasket. Will run fine solo, but put a caravan on the back and it risks overheating and making it worse. Ho hum - gonna be expensive whatever I do.


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25/4/2008 at 9:46pm
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Julianp,

Head gasket change on the 1.9TDi is about 4 hours work, so depending on your mechanics labour rate it shouldn't be too expensive.

As an ex mechanic I'm somewhat surprised that your mechanic didn't carry out a Block test (thats the chemical test for combustion gases within the coolant) as part of his original diagnosis when checking for the cause of the overheating, in my day it was standard procedure, as it only takes about a minute to do, & it tells you instantly if the head gasket has failed



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