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Subject Topic: 12s connector Problem? Post Reply Post New Topic
27/4/2008 at 11:04pm
 Location: Lancing West Sussex
 Outfit: Avondale Perle Orion 1996
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I have recently renewed my 12n and 12s plugs on the caravan a 2001 Coachman Amara 500/5

The road lights work perfectly :-  BUT when I try to use the lights in the van when the 12s plug is connected they will not work although the voltmeter shows plenty of power to the van when switched to car

When I disconnect the plug and switch to van no problem and the lights work on the van battery.

It makes me wonder whether or not the battery is being charged when towing and also is the fridge being kept cool (there is no light on the fridge to show it is working or not)

I have checked the wiring in the plug and it is all correct as far as I can see and there are no wires to pins 2 and 5.which according to the van manual is correct.

Am I missing something very basic..



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27/4/2008 at 11:53pm
 Location: Rochdale
 Outfit: Hymer Nova 470 Mondeo titanium 140tdc
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The design of the system is that when the car engine is running the habitation relay in the caravan turns off all power to the caravan apart from charge to the battery and power to the fridge. With the engine running none of the ordinary 12v systems will work.


28/4/2008 at 8:54pm
 Location: Lancing West Sussex
 Outfit: Avondale Perle Orion 1996
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Thanks for that Janus but I did have the engine off when testing the lights.

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29/4/2008 at 1:17pm
 Location: Shropshire North Wales borders
 Outfit: Adria Win
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Pin 4 (green) is the one which charges the battery when the engine is running and diverts to supply a 12v feed to the van's accessories when the engine is not running. It sounds as though there is a problem with the relay controlling the switchover.

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30/4/2008 at 8:09pm
 Location: Lancing West Sussex
 Outfit: Avondale Perle Orion 1996
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Quote: Originally posted by bordercaz on 29/4/2008
Pin 4 (green) is the one which charges the battery when the engine is running and diverts to supply a 12v feed to the van's accessories when the engine is not running. It sounds as though there is a problem with the relay controlling the switchover.

Thanks for that Bordercaz. I now have the answer - According to the firm (SussexTowbars) that fitted my towbar it was around the year 2000 that a relay was fitted in most caravans that prevents you using the car battery for lighting (to stop it from discharging) as most caravans after this time had their own leisure battery. They will, though, still charge the battery and keep the fridge cold when the engine is running.

Seems like I was worring unnecessarily.But you do not know unless you ask.



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30/4/2008 at 11:58pm
 Location: Rochdale
 Outfit: Hymer Nova 470 Mondeo titanium 140tdc
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It was in 1998 that the relay was fitted as standard.


01/5/2008 at 2:46pm
 Location: Shropshire North Wales borders
 Outfit: Adria Win
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Never had a caravan newer than 1997 so I've not come across that before. Glad we solved the problem!

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01/5/2008 at 2:59pm
 Location: Whitburn Scotland
 Outfit: 1976 Thomson T-Line Glendale
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Hi Old Deafy, see here for the pre and post 98 wiring details.

Had a similair problem with my car and van and it took me ages to suss out that it was due to the caravan being pre 98 and the car post 98, once I had found out I rewired the caravan to match the new wiring so that I do not get the problem again! (It took me a few weeks to suss it out too! grrr!)

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01/5/2008 at 5:50pm
 Location: merseyside
 Outfit: bailey ranger 460 2 + Omega 2.2 auto
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try www.rydertowing.co.uk

their practical guide to advanced towing electrics shows general instructions for 12s installations with a note about post 1998 vans

Quote  page 40 in italics  ..........that if you wire according to their instructions all caravans will be propelry accommodated

they also give a phone number for advice




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