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02/3/2009 at 10:07pm
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I have just got some of the floor glue from a caravan suppliers and at £35 a small tub  I think this will only fix about a third / half of my floor problem The gap between the boards are about 5mm at least. Has anybody ever tried expanding foam ? its cheaper ,easy to inject and I believe it will also adhere to both sheets.



02/3/2009 at 10:21pm
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hi see

http://www.wizard41.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/delamination.htm

expanding foam i have used many times but not on a caravan floor,you have no control over it as it is very strong in expansion and could expand your floor beyond that what it should be.use plenty of glue a place a heavy weight to close the gap.ie gas bottle and spare tyre.



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02/3/2009 at 10:32pm
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Thanks Michael

I thought about the lack of control as well and its a worry I must say, possibly bigger holes to stop the pressure build up . If I run out of glue I may give it a try faint heart and all that. Again thanks for pointing out the pitfalls and will let you know the outcome if I try it.

 

Nigel



03/3/2009 at 7:51am
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Hi Nigel

I did my old Compass some years back, and was amazed at how little adhesive I used.

I did an area about 900mm x 600 and only used about half a tin.

Make sure you mark the depth of the plywood on your drill bit so you don't drill further into the floor than you need.

Inject the adhesive slowly, it goes everywhere if you are not careful, and clean up as you go, it sets "rock hard".

HTH

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03/3/2009 at 11:29am
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Posted by Michael from UKcampsite

De-lamination.

 

Frightening?   Not if you set out your stall and take your time.


This is not a two hour job as stated. When you have finished, you will know why they charge so much at the caravan repair shop.

 

I have just done my caravan a few months ago. The floor had gone in two places, next to the door entrance and next to the sink four feet away.

 

You will find that de-lamination is where the floor is used most .i.e. next to the sink and the door entrance.

 

First decide how much de-lamination you have, ie.2 feet (old school) or 6 feet, and check underside for gas pipes before starting..

 

 

This size of the de-lamination is required when you order your epoxy resin mix.

 

One mix will cover about 3 feet by 3 feet.  I bought mine from Barrons -  £25 for both tins.

 

You will also need a large syringe to inject the mixed epoxy resin. Barrons sell this also.

 

The glues are called Apollo 1 and Apollo 2  I think the code is A8136. 

 

The small tin is the hardener and must be used in the time stated on the tin.

 

I will go through the steps best I can.

 

You will need:

A sharp 10mm drill

Some 10 mm round wood to cut and plug the holes, (sold in 6 foot lengths).  This needs cutting into plugs, half inch long and sanded down at one end to make insertion easier

 

 

You need to:

 

Remove all carpets or lino.

 

Tape up all joints and the cowls under the caravan.  Use a good tapeline brown 3” wide packing tape. 
If you don’t the glue will run through the seams. (You will not know until you see a pool of glue on the path. So this is a must),

 

Support the floor under the van in some way so it cannot bend when pressure is placed on top.

Do not push up the floor. You can damage the fittings inside.

Use wood blocks stacked up just touching the floor on the underside in the same place as the
de-lamination.

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Drill a test hole.  Find a place that has no gas pipes on the underside.

 

Slowly drill one hole until it only just touches the plywood at the bottom. DO NOT DRILL THROUGH.

 

Tape up the drill at this depth, use plenty of tape to stop the drill going deeper than it should.

 

Mark out the area of de-lamination using a black marker, in a square grid pattern of 4 inch.

 

Drill to the grid pattern.  When finished you will have a large square full of holes to the size of the
de-lamination.  I.e.: 3 x 3 feet.

 

Clean away all and any dust or shavings.

 

Have a large polythene bag ready to put over the square; the glue does not stick to polythene.

 

 

You will need:


A tin or old pan large enough to hold the mix of glue. 

 

A clean strong stick to stir the mix.

 

Only mix what you need within the time allowed.

 

Start at the rear end injecting the holes one by one until the glue flows out, then plug with the wood plug.

 

When finished, place the polythene bag over all the holes.

 

Put a heavy weight on top i.e. wheels and tyres or gas bottles. Leave for 24 hours to dry.

 

Open all windows to ventilate the caravan before starting the final tasks.

 

Protective clothing (masks and gloves) must be worn at this stage.

 

Sand down all plugs until smooth.   Replace flooring.

 

 

 

Posted by Metz from UKcampsite

 

The delamination repair can be carried out from underneath, but you need to buy the complete kit which works out expensive if you only use it the once,  
this is a description of the method I use for the repair of floor delamination.

Determine the extent of the damage from inside the van, transfer the information to the underside, drill a series of 8mm holes through the first layer of ply ONLY these should be centred at 200mm over the whole area, now drill 6mm pilot holes through the insulation until you just touch the upper ply NOT through, mix the 2 part adhesive carefully and load into caulking gun supplied with kit, the mixture will stay usable for about an hour, push the plastic probe into the hole until it touches the upper ply then pull it back a 1/4", pump the adhesive into the floor four or five pulls should do it you will feel the pressure build depending on the severity of the de-lam in that area, work your way across all the holes one line at a time, when injection is complete, place boards inside van and place weights on to apply an even pressure across the reworked area, place plugs into holes, and leave for 24/48 hours. DO NOT inject to close to original joins in the floor!!! Make sure you clean all equipment with the supplied solvent within the hour. The kit is available from www.theglue.co.uk .

 

You can also find delamination repair kits on ebay.

 

 

 



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03/3/2009 at 5:27pm
 Location: leics
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i used expanding foam on my daughters coachman ended up with a slight bump.did mine with one shot off ebay.i used this on my avondale.drilled holes filled with oneshotthen pushed in wooden dowels soaked as the moisture helps it cure.

neil



03/3/2009 at 7:13pm
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I've been researching for a low expansion PU foam to fix and support my shower tray, like a light weight self leveling compound. I too was worried about the expansion rate (read some real horror stories about 200:1 expansion rates and the kind of mess/damage you can do if used carelessly).

The only one I've found is made by Everbuild, called EVLOW, accoring to the blurb it stays almost at the same level it extrudes at.

I've just ordered a tin mail order, no stockist in this area, but if you get in touch with Everbuild with your postcode they'll give you any local stockists.

Might be what your looking for??


03/3/2009 at 9:22pm
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Thanks for all the great advice . The  reason I thought about the foam  in the firset place is that when I drilled into the top sheet of ply it feels like a void inside  and will take a lot more than one mix of glue to put right. I think its possible that because of the age of the van and if this has been going on for a long time before I bought it the foam may well have broken down into dust. There are two areas of delamination but only one that feels empty and this is where two sheets join..

Thanks all

Nigel 




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