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13/10/2010 at 5:32pm
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   I recently found some delamination in the van floor. Repairing it myself isn't a problem for me as I've done it before on a previous van, using the usual 2 part resin/hardener, wooden plug method. with total success.  I have seen a "one shot" no mixing resin advertised, in what appears to be a squeezy bottle, which would eliminate the messy mixing and filling syringes part of the job.

  Has anyone used this stuff? Is it as good as the 2 part resin? Or should I stick (no pun intended) to what is tried and tested.   

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13/10/2010 at 5:40pm
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reports on here have been good.

http://www.ukcampsite.co.uk/chatter/search.asp?search=delamination&searchMode=phrase&searchIn=Topic&forum=31&searchSort=dateDESC&ly=2&Submit=Start+Search



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13/10/2010 at 6:33pm
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I have used one shot on my avondale its not a resin.thats if its the green glue.i had to drill the holes as with the 2 pack resin. then squirt the one shot into the hole.i then hammered in dowels that had been in water as the water is needed to activate the glue.its like marine glue or gorilla glue. did a first class job though been fine now for 2 years.

atb.neil 

 



13/10/2010 at 7:47pm
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Used it this year really good a lot less work to do after it has set.

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14/10/2010 at 2:07am
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Works well, If you dont plug the holes it expands out of them, Looks like green mushrooms.

I was worried that plugging the holes before its finished expanding could cause more damage.

Maybe it expands and seeks out the weak points? I didnt risk it & did not plug the holes.

I fitted new lino and a carpet over the top anyway.



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15/10/2010 at 7:43pm
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HAS ANY ONE USED EXPANDING FOAM just wondering if it works

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15/10/2010 at 7:45pm
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sorry no iv not used one shot

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16/10/2010 at 9:07am
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Quote: Originally posted by bernie bann on 15/10/2010
HAS ANY ONE USED EXPANDING FOAM just wondering if it works

I wouldn't risk expanding foam for two reasons:

1/ Even the low expansion foam can spread out and expand too much in places you don't want it to. This happened to a cousin of mine who used it to try and stop floor boards squeaking in her house, it lifted up large parts of the floor!

2/ It acts as a water trap. I have an old box trailer that belonged to another cousin of mine (odd that) and he used expanding foam to fill the gap between the sides of the floor and the trailer frame. Normally this would be fine I think but the trailer was not as watertight as it should be and the rain that leaked in sat between the foam and the steel framework as it could not drain out. I'm now in the process of rebuilding the entire trailer because of this.

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16/10/2010 at 11:07am
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you will have no control what so ever with the expanding foam.it is a lot stronger than the thin ply of the floor.major problem when the floor is twice the depth it should be.

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16/10/2010 at 7:04pm
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i used expanding foam on my daughters coachman.it was ok but you went uphill to the fridge and downhill to the bathroom.i put lots of concrete blocks on the floor and propped underneath but still over expanded.i didnt use dowels cos i thought any excess would come out the drilled holes, wrong.

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16/10/2010 at 7:52pm
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Hi waited until today to reply as I used One Shot on my caravan floor last Tuesday and haven't had a chance until today to see if it worked. Mine came from Kelly caravans vis Ebay. It was a brown liquid in a squeezy bottle. It came as a complete kit with protective gloves and a big syringe. Cut out a piece of the vinyl floor, drilled the holes and squirted it in. This needs to be done when it's fairly warm so the gunge is fairly fluid. It also helps the curing. By that evening there were a series of "mushrooms" over each of the holes. The liquid appears to foam, rather like the gap filler mentioned above but is is a lot slower and nowhere near so violent. Anyway, I expected it today and the floor is as solid as a rock. Just got to sand off the mushrooms and stick the vinyl back down. Then we are fitting carpet so the joint won't be seen.
The kit costs around £32 including postage and seems to be brilliant.

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21/10/2010 at 10:34pm
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Got our resin kit from Martins in Wisbech, internet prices and over the counter service too. Worked like a charm, well we did buy the Wisp knowing the floor had delaminated, had to drill over 200 holes, inject resin, weight down (VERY important, used gas cylinders, water barrels, waste barrels and anything heavy including an anchor for the boat). Floor now solid as a rock. Used expanding foam under the shower where the polystyene packing had degraded or been eaten by rodents (it was near the shower drain), leading to a crack in the shower (repaired by tissue fibreglass matting). Since then everything tight and not moving, also not leaking!

But just follow the instructions and it will be easy! You just have to be very quick, the damned stuff starts to harden immediately! You do not have a lot of open time with it!

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21/10/2010 at 10:47pm
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Posted by Michael from UKcampsite

De-lamination.

 

Frightening?   Not if you set out your stall and take your time.


This is not a two hour job as stated. When you have finished, you will know why they charge so much at the caravan repair shop.

 

I have just done my caravan a few months ago. The floor had gone in two places, next to the door entrance and next to the sink four feet away.

 

You will find that de-lamination is where the floor is used most .i.e. next to the sink and the door entrance.

 

First decide how much de-lamination you have, ie.2 feet (old school) or 6 feet, and check underside for gas pipes before starting..

 

 

This size of the de-lamination is required when you order your epoxy resin mix.

 

One mix will cover about 3 feet by 3 feet.  I bought mine from Barrons -  £25 for both tins.

 

You will also need a large syringe to inject the mixed epoxy resin. Barrons sell this also.

 

The glues are called Apollo 1 and Apollo 2  I think the code is A8136. 

 

The small tin is the hardener and must be used in the time stated on the tin.

 

I will go through the steps best I can.

 

You will need:

A sharp 10mm drill

Some 10 mm round wood to cut and plug the holes, (sold in 6 foot lengths).  This needs cutting into plugs, half inch long and sanded down at one end to make insertion easier

 

 

You need to:

 

Remove all carpets or lino.

 

Tape up all joints and the cowls under the caravan.  Use a good tapeline brown 3” wide packing tape. 
If you don’t the glue will run through the seams. (You will not know until you see a pool of glue on the path. So this is a must),

 

Support the floor under the van in some way so it cannot bend when pressure is placed on top.

Do not push up the floor. You can damage the fittings inside.

Use wood blocks stacked up just touching the floor on the underside in the same place as the
de-lamination.

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Drill a test hole.  Find a place that has no gas pipes on the underside.

 

Slowly drill one hole until it only just touches the plywood at the bottom. DO NOT DRILL THROUGH.

 

Tape up the drill at this depth, use plenty of tape to stop the drill going deeper than it should.

 

Mark out the area of de-lamination using a black marker, in a square grid pattern of 4 inch.

 

Drill to the grid pattern.  When finished you will have a large square full of holes to the size of the
de-lamination.  I.e.: 3 x 3 feet.

 

Clean away all and any dust or shavings.

 

Have a large polythene bag ready to put over the square; the glue does not stick to polythene.

 

 

You will need:


A tin or old pan large enough to hold the mix of glue. 

 

A clean strong stick to stir the mix.

 

Only mix what you need within the time allowed.

 

Start at the rear end injecting the holes one by one until the glue flows out, then plug with the wood plug.

 

When finished, place the polythene bag over all the holes.

 

Put a heavy weight on top i.e. wheels and tyres or gas bottles. Leave for 24 hours to dry.

 

Open all windows to ventilate the caravan before starting the final tasks.

 

Protective clothing (masks and gloves) must be worn at this stage.

 

Sand down all plugs until smooth.   Replace flooring.

 

 

 

Posted by Metz from UKcampsite

 

The delamination repair can be carried out from underneath, but you need to buy the complete kit which works out expensive if you only use it the once,  
this is a description of the method I use for the repair of floor delamination.

Determine the extent of the damage from inside the van, transfer the information to the underside, drill a series of 8mm holes through the first layer of ply ONLY these should be centred at 200mm over the whole area, now drill 6mm pilot holes through the insulation until you just touch the upper ply NOT through, mix the 2 part adhesive carefully and load into caulking gun supplied with kit, the mixture will stay usable for about an hour, push the plastic probe into the hole until it touches the upper ply then pull it back a 1/4", pump the adhesive into the floor four or five pulls should do it you will feel the pressure build depending on the severity of the de-lam in that area, work your way across all the holes one line at a time, when injection is complete, place boards inside van and place weights on to apply an even pressure across the reworked area, place plugs into holes, and leave for 24/48 hours. DO NOT inject to close to original joins in the floor!!! Make sure you clean all equipment with the supplied solvent within the hour. The kit is available from www.theglue.co.uk .

 

You can also find delamination repair kits on ebay.

 

Here's how Brian Davies did the delamination repair step by step, with pictures Click_here . 

 



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29/10/2010 at 12:50pm
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  Thought I would report back on how I got on. In the end I used the 2-part epoxy as I needed it quickly so I could do the repair in our shared driveway whilst our neighbours were on holiday, mail order would have taken several days to arrive. I picked up a litre of resin plus hardened from Glasplies in Southport which gave me 1 1/2 litres of mix. Even at that ratio (2-1) setting took several hours so there was plenty of working time. I then had a eurika moment, instead of using a syringe I used those plastic squeezy bottles you can buy to put sauce and ketchup in, 2 for 99p from Morrisons, or 2 for £2-99 at a caravan shop.    These worked perfectly, though I'm not sure how the sauce and ketchup will taste now I've used them.   

   Anyway thats one job less, now I've got to sort out the 5" dent at car bumper level thats mysteriously appeared whilst it was in storage. 

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