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11/4/2011 at 10:28am
 Location: Coleraine Northern Ireland
 Outfit: Bailey Pageant Majestic+ 1.9 Laguna
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It baffles me why people with impressive qualifications and presumeably a comfortable salary get employed by the caravan industry. For instance why do they fit the spare wheel cradle so as the wheel has to come out right behind the nearside wheel? Wouldn`t it make more sense to have the cradle lying fore and aft and the spare could then be slid out the back. This way it wouldn`t matter which side was jacked up, getting the wheel out would be simple. Another gripe is about the floor on my Bailey Pageant Majestic. It is intalled so that it doesn`t actually sit on the caravan floor. In my case someone with presumeably stilletto heels split the floor. I tried to repair this using expanding foam but used too much and now I have a bevelled floor!!!!!!!!

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11/4/2011 at 10:30am
 Location: Coleraine Northern Ireland
 Outfit: Bailey Pageant Majestic+ 1.9 Laguna
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Sorry I forgot to mention that the floor in question is the floor of the shower.

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11/4/2011 at 10:39am
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I agree with you on the cradle,but in the shower i dont wear stilletto heels so cant comment about that..

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11/4/2011 at 10:50am
 Location: Blackburn Lancashire
 Outfit: Coachman Laser 650 and Discovery
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The spare wheel can't really go at the back, because of pendulum effect. The best place for it would be in a floor locker inside the caravan.  Some maker used to do this, but I can't remember who it was.

You can check the tyre pressure easily and get it when you want it, without lying in puddles.

Jim



11/4/2011 at 10:59am
 Location: Lichfield
 Outfit: Coachman Amara 450
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If you are a member of the Camping & Caravanning Club then why don't you write to their Forum section as I think that the cradle is a valid point actually and it might just get published. Regarding the shower tray, then that's just down to an individual being a bit ignorant as to what appropriate footwear is required which can be avoided with just a bit of plain common sense.

I think it maybe Compass Caravans that designed the spare wheel to go under the floor as I can remember looking inside a Rallye 460 model a couple of years ago. Also, I think it makes sense what was said about the spare at the rear creating the pendulum effect as I consider that this is exactly what would happen so under the floor is the ideal place I think.



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11/4/2011 at 11:36am
 Location: Walsall
 Outfit: Unicorn Barcelona 2 & Kia Sorento
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Avondale used the "in floor" spare wheel.

The current design is ALKO which is designed to go with the chassis. The wheel weight is in the optimal position for safety, if a little difficult to remove.

Earlier caravans used to carry the spare wheel in the front locker bit this also caused weight problems.

If you are concerned carry the caravan spare in the car.


11/4/2011 at 11:53am
 Location: None Entered
 Outfit: Swift Challenger Sport 524 VW Carave
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Quote: Originally posted by Jocko on 11/4/2011

It baffles me why people with impressive qualifications and presumeably a comfortable salary get employed by the caravan industry. For instance why do they fit the spare wheel cradle so as the wheel has to come out right behind the nearside wheel? Wouldn`t it make more sense to have the cradle lying fore and aft and the spare could then be slid out the back. This way it wouldn`t matter which side was jacked up, getting the wheel out would be simple. Another gripe is about the floor on my Bailey Pageant Majestic. It is intalled so that it doesn`t actually sit on the caravan floor. In my case someone with presumeably stilletto heels split the floor. I tried to repair this using expanding foam but used too much and now I have a bevelled floor!!!!!!!!

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Finding this a problem when pulling out the spare in ideal conditions just to check it, I emailed Coachman about the design, and said that I was trying to produce my own design to pull out from the rear. I think they referred the matter on to Al-ko, but I heard no more.  I have not yet come up with a method of doing the modification without drilling the chassis.

Not only is the current design bad, as you say, but you are faced with being in a traffic lane if you need to do a wheel change when in the EU.  I overcame this by making my carrier reversible, but it doesn't solve everything.  Either way, get up against a kerb or verge and you won't get that wheel out from under the van.

Bertie.



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11/4/2011 at 12:45pm
 Location: Cambs
 Outfit: Tin tent diddy tent BIG tent
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I've no idea why they fit such a badly designed piece of equipment as the Alko spare wheel carrier. Most experienced caravanners that I know have removed it and keep the spare in the towing vehicle thereby giving an increased load capacity to caravan if needed and easier access to the spare wheel. Anyone want to buy a couple of Alko spare wheel carriers that are lingering in the depths of my slingit store?

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11/4/2011 at 1:40pm
 Location: Cheshire
 Outfit: Adria Astella Amazon VW Touareg 3.0l
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Adria Front locker spare wheel carrier, thats the way forward. No grovelling about in the gutter, one bolt to unfasten and your spare wheel is ready for action, also, very handy for periodic checking, you can take it out very easily and give it a thorough inspection and have it back and secured in minutes, and all Adria's are on Alko chassis!

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11/4/2011 at 4:16pm
 Location: St Helens Lancashire
 Outfit: Eriba 540 Mazda CX5 SEL
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My Bailey has the spare in the front locker, it was made in 1994 though! It was common practice to put it in there at the time.

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11/4/2011 at 5:43pm
 Location: herne bay kent
 Outfit: compass connoisseur
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Our Swift Corniche 1991 has a 'boot' rear locker where the spare wheel is kept, theres room either side of the spare for stowage. I am surprised not to see this on more caravans.


11/4/2011 at 7:08pm
 Location: North Staffordshire
 Outfit: Award Sunstar Nissan Terrano
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Hi Our Award Sunstar has a locker on the nearside at the front for the spare. very useful it is too. Just fitted an electric socket in there for lights etc in the awning.

Pete


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11/4/2011 at 7:50pm
 Location: Milton Keynes
 Outfit: Bailey Alliance 66-2 Motorhome
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Whilst the AlKo carrier is not the ideal solution it does one important thing and that is remove weight from the front of the caravan thus reducing noseweight. It would be better for the wheel to exit at the rear but that would require at least one extra chassis member to hold it in place. I have voted with my feet and now store the spare wheel under the fixed bed and I can get to it either from under the bed or via a locker on the outside. I have removed the carrier to save weight.

David



11/4/2011 at 11:33pm
 Location: West Mids
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Quote: Originally posted by The 2 Tops on 11/4/2011
...  I have not yet come up with a method of doing the modification without drilling the chassis.




Do not be tempted to drill the chassis as this will effect the performance of the galvanised treatment.

The Alko carrier isn't the best, but I understand why they came up with the idea for weight distribution. Personally I haven't had any problem with the carrier and I periodically lubricate it during the year. There is a wheel recess in the front locker of my van too, but storage of the wheel there doesn't help my nose weight.



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12/4/2011 at 12:03pm
 Location: Hatfield Peverel Essex
 Outfit: Ace Supreme Twinstar Disco 3
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This is not really the subject of this thread but it is related.

Has anyone with a twin axle had a puncture in one wheel.  If so, is it possible to run the other wheel up your levelling ramp to make access to the Al-Ko carrier easier?

Fortunately I haven't had the need to try it but have it in mind just in case. 

Any thoughts would be appreciated

DaveS1



15/4/2011 at 12:40pm
 Location: Essex
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Hubby`s quick answer is that it should not be a problem.


We had a puncture (we think the tyre was deliberately slashed) in a supermarket car park in the Jura but hubby managed to replace it and get a new tyre for the damaged one locally.

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