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19/8/2011 at 9:29pm
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Hello there everyboby,

I am looking for some advice. I have recently bought a 450 ct ABI Marauder and have already fixed water ingress thanks to a caravan wizard and proper tape and sealant. So when we just used our newer for us van we have noticed the floor is spongy near the fridge and kitchen sink area. Now i understand this is a problem with the laminate sandwich failing in an area with lots of use. To fix it i am going to get a kit and all advice so far states drill into the floor in a pattern but not through. Can i ask people here what is the estimated depth of the floor and how far should i drill through? Dont want my snagging list with this van get any bigger ! we love the layout for us and the two boys but am begining to miss our solid little sprite alpine. Help to sort this out will be much appreciated.



19/8/2011 at 9:49pm
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19/8/2011 at 9:50pm
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The floor is about 40mm thick. Top and bottom are 4mm ply with 32mm styrofoam in between, so you could drill to a bit less than 36mm depth, then push a thin screwdriver through the last of the foam, then mark your drill bit accordingly.


19/8/2011 at 9:55pm
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You will know when you have gone far enough. You will drill through the first layer of wood then the bit will push straight through the polystyrene with virtually no resistance at all. Once that happens you stop as you will have touched the bottom layer of wood.


20/8/2011 at 2:46am
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Quote: Originally posted by DaveCoaches on 19/8/2011
You will know when you have gone far enough. You will drill through the first layer of wood then the bit will push straight through the polystyrene with virtually no resistance at all. Once that happens you stop as you will have touched the bottom layer of wood.

Could not of said it better myself, i have just done mine for the first time, trick is take your time and plan first as that glue is not forgiving, and make sure you compress the floor together so it sticks together.

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26/8/2011 at 8:20pm
 Location: newcastle upon tyne
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Thanks for the replies got the kit and going to go for it. How did it go bonefish? Any prep that is worth its while?


29/8/2011 at 4:27pm
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if i had to do it again i think i would go for two part again having used it before.

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Posted by Michael from UKcampsite

De-lamination.

Frightening? Not if you set out your stall and take your time.


This is not a two hour job as stated. When you have finished, you will know why they charge so much at the caravan repair shop.

I have just done my caravan a few months ago. The floor had gone in two places, next to the door entrance and next to the sink four feet away.

You will find that de-lamination is where the floor is used most .i.e. next to the sink and the door entrance.

First decide how much de-lamination you have, ie.2 feet (old school) or 6 feet, and check underside for gas pipes before starting..

This size of the de-lamination is required when you order your epoxy resin mix.

One mix will cover about 3 feet by 3 feet. I bought mine from Barrons - £25 for both tins.

You will also need a large syringe to inject the mixed epoxy resin. Barrons sell this also.

The glues are called Apollo 1 and Apollo 2 I think the code is A8136.

The small tin is the hardener and must be used in the time stated on the tin.

I will go through the steps best I can.

You will need:

A sharp 10mm drill

Some 10 mm round wood to cut and plug the holes, (sold in 6 foot lengths). This needs cutting into plugs, half inch long and sanded down at one end to make insertion easier

You need to:

Remove all carpets or lino.

Tape up all joints and the cowls under the caravan. Use a good tapeline brown 3” wide packing tape.
If you don’t the glue will run through the seams. (You will not know until you see a pool of glue on the path. So this is a must),

Support the floor under the van in some way so it cannot bend when pressure is placed on top.

Do not push up the floor. You can damage the fittings inside.

Use wood blocks stacked up just touching the floor on the underside in the same place as the
de-lamination.

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Drill a test hole. Find a place that has no gas pipes on the underside.

Slowly drill one hole until it only just touches the plywood at the bottom. DO NOT DRILL THROUGH.

Tape up the drill at this depth, use plenty of tape to stop the drill going deeper than it should.

Mark out the area of de-lamination using a black marker, in a square grid pattern of 4 inch.

Drill to the grid pattern. When finished you will have a large square full of holes to the size of the
de-lamination. I.e.: 3 x 3 feet.

Clean away all and any dust or shavings.

Have a large polythene bag ready to put over the square; the glue does not stick to polythene.

You will need:


A tin or old pan large enough to hold the mix of glue.

A clean strong stick to stir the mix.

Only mix what you need within the time allowed.

Start at the rear end injecting the holes one by one until the glue flows out, then plug with the wood plug.

When finished, place the polythene bag over all the holes.

Put a heavy weight on top i.e. wheels and tyres or gas bottles. Leave for 24 hours to dry.

Open all windows to ventilate the caravan before starting the final tasks.

Protective clothing (masks and gloves) must be worn at this stage.

Sand down all plugs until smooth. Replace flooring.

Posted by Metz from UKcampsite

The delamination repair can be carried out from underneath, but you need to buy the complete kit which works out expensive if you only use it the once,
this is a description of the method I use for the repair of floor delamination.

Determine the extent of the damage from inside the van, transfer the information to the underside, drill a series of 8mm holes through the first layer of ply ONLY these should be centred at 200mm over the whole area, now drill 6mm pilot holes through the insulation until you just touch the upper ply NOT through, mix the 2 part adhesive carefully and load into caulking gun supplied with kit, the mixture will stay usable for about an hour, push the plastic probe into the hole until it touches the upper ply then pull it back a 1/4", pump the adhesive into the floor four or five pulls should do it you will feel the pressure build depending on the severity of the de-lam in that area, work your way across all the holes one line at a time, when injection is complete, place boards inside van and place weights on to apply an even pressure across the reworked area, place plugs into holes, and leave for 24/48 hours. DO NOT inject to close to original joins in the floor!!! Make sure you clean all equipment with the supplied solvent within the hour. The kit is available from www.theglue.co.uk .

You can also find delamination repair kits on ebay.

Here's how Brian Davies did the delamination repair step by step, with pictures Click_here .




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29/8/2011 at 7:23pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Al+Mel on 19/8/2011


The floor is about 40mm thick. Top and bottom are 4mm ply with 32mm styrofoam in between, so you could drill to a bit less than 36mm depth, then push a thin screwdriver through the last of the foam, then mark your drill bit accordingly.

so set depth stop on drill to 35mm, is it safe to walk on meantime as there is stuff in van i need, would only be in it once



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30/8/2011 at 1:39pm
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yes its safe to walk on. drill a small hole in the top ply,push drill blank to the bottom through the foam filling until it reaches the thin ply at the bottom.lift slightly and tape the drill at this depth.no need to measure.FLOOR CONSTRUTION.

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_FOAM FILLING_______

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