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04/11/2011 at 5:15pm
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Quote: Originally posted by jeff juke on 04/11/2011
It wasnt flashing tape eh,used this on the gutter..clck There was another tape that was green very sticky came in a roll and made a right mess of your hands..will go see if i can find it.
yes thats it

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Your wellcome..

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04/11/2011 at 9:59pm
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Hey guys,

Quick update, I took the inner trim off yesterday and it was pretty obvious the Silicone Sealent repair job done by my nephew was woefully inadequate.

You can see where the sealent has simply come away from the roof and skylight fitting and has gone hard and brittle. The tarp came out and covered it up untill i have the right equptment to sort it out. The mastick roll is definately the way to go, as there is a lot of flex in the roof around the skylight. My guessing is the tow to my brothers house was enough to disturb the old silicone and crack it / make it peel away.

Luckily the roof has been re-lined so dehumidifier is in there drawing the damp out of the air, and nothing is rotten or sodden with water.

I noticed today, at the end of the village I live is a caravan dealer (North Staffs Caravans) & behind there is a caravan dismantler - stocking lots of used parts and accessories. Will see if i can get a replacement skylight the right size.

If im going to do it, I may aswell do it properly

Thanks for all the advice so far.



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Good for you..want another wee job.

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15/11/2011 at 11:49am
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Hi Neal, watching your thread with interest! When you've finished, do you fancy doing mine! LOL!

Seriously that american tape looks like it might cure some of the problems I'm having with my van - has anyone found a place we can get it in the uk?

Does flashing tape do the same thing and can you get it in white instead of silver?

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15/11/2011 at 4:28pm
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I wonder if this is the green tape you are talking of.

Denso

Denso tape, this does make a real nice mess of your hands. White spirit to remove or, better still wear gloves.

It doesn't dry out but one thing to beware of is that it can bleed a little and leave run stains if in the sun for long periods.

It is based on a woven material and heavily impregnated with the waterproofing sticky stuff.

I found that if you are going to clamp it between two surfaces screwed together the screw has a tendency to pull on the weave and bunch it round the screw.

It wouldn't be good to leave it uncovered otherwise if you lean on it it would be all over your clothes.

I used it during my renovation to temporarily stick over the awning rail joints I was resealing if left without the rails for a few days while constructing new timbers for the rails to screw into.

You can re-use it too - IE take it off and roll it up and then reapply it later.

In fact I keep the roll in the caravan tools as an emergency temp repair in case I get any water ingress anywhere.

It's magic stuff.

Colin

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Thats the stuff Colin,makes a right mess of the hands,i personally would not use it on a caravan..

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15/11/2011 at 4:57pm
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Hey guys,

Another quick update, the water ingress - or Leak as i like to call it is getting worse since i was up on the roof of the Van.

Basically in the bad rain a few days ago it came p***ing in and ran down the cupboards and pooled on the gas hop / sink unit. The whole caravan roof is covered now, as i need the van to dry before tackling anything.

The bad reapir has got to go, so the inner roof lining in the mid section has to come out, as does the sky light unit. After talking to a couple of local caravan owners they seem to think a decent quality non-setting Mastik (builders mastik) should be fine to seat the new skylight. So my nephew is going to pick me some up from where he works (free is always good)

However, I feel the need to re-seal the rails to on the wall the sink unit sits on, just for peace of mind.

I will update with some pics as soon as I get a few hours to remove the roof lining and show you the horrendous mess of sealent / caulk / silicone and god knows what else.

Im sure it will be recti-fiable with a little graft and the right equiptment.

so far on my shopping list is:

Sikaflex 212 - Sikaflex 512

Non Setting Mastick - and mastick ona roll.

a new or second hand skylight

fibre glass.

Im sure this list will grow exponentially


thanks for the replies, and i'll look into the Denso stuff cheers.

Neal


15/11/2011 at 7:32pm
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Please don't use fibreglass! It is very brittle, and isn't adhesive enough to stick to anything permanently - apart from Polyester resin (fibreglass). The result will be a leak that will cause you more problems than you had in the first place as water will be trapped inside it!

If you need to build an area up, use epoxy. Epoxy is an excellent adhesive and has much more strength than fibreglass (Polyester) resin. Epoxy can be thickened to a stiff paste by mixing micro-balloons/microfibres with it.

Sikaflex is an excellent sealant and adhesive but you shouldn't use it on something you might want to take apart again for maintenance.


15/11/2011 at 9:13pm
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Ok so scratch the fiberglass idea lol.

The sikaflex will be used sparingly in a couple of choice places, but to be honest as long as the van stays sealed for a year or two I'll be happy. The rails don't have obvious signs of ingress inside but I thought I may as well be thorough and try my best at re-sealing them for my own piece of mind. The theory seems simple, the reality is always going to throw up unforseen pitfalls and problems.

Denso tapes a no no really, don't fancy using that stuff unless in an emergency, I think the biggest problem I'm going to face is a clean removal of the old skylight & fiberglass on the roofs outer.

Any tips on removal of the fiberglass would be handy, for now I think flat sanders is my best option.

Thanks for the pointers

Neal


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16/11/2011 at 8:22am
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Try some gentle heat and a scraper to remove the fibreglass.

Providing the sealant between rails and 'van hasn't completely disintegrated, this stuff;

Creeping Crack Cure

is excellent for sealing screw holes, pin hole leaks, hairline cracks etc. It could save you a whole load of work removing rails that don't really need it.


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Quote: Originally posted by Al+Mel on 16/11/2011
Try some gentle heat and a scraper to remove the fibreglass.

Providing the sealant between rails and 'van hasn't completely disintegrated, this stuff;

Creeping Crack Cure

is excellent for sealing screw holes, pin hole leaks, hairline cracks etc. It could save you a whole load of work removing rails that don't really need it.


I will second that! I just found out where a leak was coming in on my caravan with it. It's a bit like milky water and just runs into any little holes. I spotted a rusty screw on a trim at the front, undid the trim and poured some into the hole. It came out on the inside and worked pretty well. It seems that the last owner used a screw that was too long for the job and it had gone right through into the middle of the wall, and had been taking the water in with it. I didn't notice this as it was behind a curtain! Waiting for it to dry out now so that I can replace the veneer and decorate!

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Ahh I was looking at that stuff on eBay the other day, so do you think I should apply that on the rails rather than removing them and resealing from scratch.

I've had a good look and I can't see anything coming from the rails up top or on the side, bit there is a tiny 1" damp mark on the rear corner in the shower / toilet cubby hole. I prefer the idea of not removing the rails, ill buy some and try that first.

As for the "gentle heat" to remove the f/glass what would I use to apply it? Boiling water? Or very gentle with a blow torch?

Sorry for all the questions, just want to tackle this in the right way, not butcher it lol

Cheers

Neal


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Sorry double post. I can't use this blooming phone very well on the net



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Quote: Originally posted by Neal1979 on 17/11/2011
Ahh I was looking at that stuff on eBay the other day, so do you think I should apply that on the rails rather than removing them and resealing from scratch.

I've had a good look and I can't see anything coming from the rails up top or on the side, bit there is a tiny 1" damp mark on the rear corner in the shower / toilet cubby hole. I prefer the idea of not removing the rails, ill buy some and try that first.

As for the "gentle heat" to remove the f/glass what would I use to apply it? Boiling water? Or very gentle with a blow torch?

Sorry for all the questions, just want to tackle this in the right way, not butcher it lol

Cheers

Neal


1).

I would try Captain T's first, then monitor the situation carefully.

2).

A hairdryer or carefully used hot air paint stripper should do it.

Have fun!


20/11/2011 at 9:17pm
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