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Subject Topic: Delaminated Floor Post Reply Post New Topic
17/9/2012 at 7:22pm
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I have a SPRITE MAJOR. The Floor has delaminated in the 'normal' area.

I have noted the method for repairing and in fact I have the EPOXY in hand to do it it. However

(1) It seems counter intuitive to drill a load of holes into an already weakened floor.

(2) It seems easier, given I have had to take the carpet up anyway just to bond a 15MM Sheet of ply onto the floor of the Van. I know this will add some weight but the van is a pretty light one as is (No oven, Hot Water...).

I am guessing there is some reason this is not deemed acceptable but am struggling to see why  ?

Thanks 



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17/9/2012 at 7:42pm
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If you stick a ply panel on top of the floor the insulation and bottom layer of ply will still be flapping around in the breeze.

Epoxy is seriously strong stuff and if you do the job properly your floor will be stronger than it was before, and you won't have a 15mm step where the new ply layer starts.


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Point taken.

 

Tellme how runny/what consistency is the EPOXY you use. At work I use a LOCTITE Solvent Free two part epoxy in a "shotgun cartridge" that mixes it as it is gunned out. The end is a long tube which allows you to 'inject' it.

I think it would be perfect for this application but I note from sone of the comments that people talk about injecting it into one hole and seeing it come from another. Given these are 4" away it would seem to me the epoxy used must be of a vert thin consistency indeed almost like water. 



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17/9/2012 at 9:10pm
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Pretty runny! Enough to coat the top of the bottom sheet of ply, so make sure any seams, holes etc are taped up, or it will end up on the floor. Support the floor from underneath so it doesn't sag and after you apply epoxy and dowels apply weights to the top layer - with plastic sheet underneath so the weights don't become part of the 'van. When its cured, you have a laminate that is much better connected than when new. Really solid, but still light and well insulated.


17/9/2012 at 9:40pm
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Posted by Michael from UKcampsite

De-lamination.

Frightening? Not if you set out your stall and take your time.


This is not a two hour job as stated. When you have finished, you will know why they charge so much at the caravan repair shop.

I have just done my caravan a few months ago. The floor had gone in two places, next to the door entrance and next to the sink four feet away.

You will find that de-lamination is where the floor is used most .i.e. next to the sink and the door entrance.

First decide how much de-lamination you have, ie.2 feet (old school) or 6 feet, and check underside for gas pipes before starting..

This size of the de-lamination is required when you order your epoxy resin mix.

One mix will cover about 3 feet by 3 feet. I bought mine from Barrons - £25 for both tins.

You will also need a large syringe to inject the mixed epoxy resin. Barrons sell this also.

The glues are called Apollo 1 and Apollo 2 I think the code is A8136.

The small tin is the hardener and must be used in the time stated on the tin.

I will go through the steps best I can.

You will need:

A sharp 10mm drill

Some 10 mm round wood to cut and plug the holes, (sold in 6 foot lengths). This needs cutting into plugs, half inch long and sanded down at one end to make insertion easier

You need to:

Remove all carpets or lino.

Tape up all joints and the cowls under the caravan. Use a good tapeline brown 3” wide packing tape.
If you don’t the glue will run through the seams. (You will not know until you see a pool of glue on the path. So this is a must),

Support the floor under the van in some way so it cannot bend when pressure is placed on top.

Do not push up the floor. You can damage the fittings inside.

Use wood blocks stacked up just touching the floor on the underside in the same place as the
de-lamination.

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Drill a test hole. Find a place that has no gas pipes on the underside.

Slowly drill one hole until it only just touches the plywood at the bottom. DO NOT DRILL THROUGH.

Tape up the drill at this depth, use plenty of tape to stop the drill going deeper than it should.

Mark out the area of de-lamination using a black marker, in a square grid pattern of 4 inch.

Drill to the grid pattern. When finished you will have a large square full of holes to the size of the
de-lamination. I.e.: 3 x 3 feet.

Clean away all and any dust or shavings.

Have a large polythene bag ready to put over the square; the glue does not stick to polythene.

You will need:


A tin or old pan large enough to hold the mix of glue.

A clean strong stick to stir the mix.

Only mix what you need within the time allowed.

Start at the rear end injecting the holes one by one until the glue flows out, then plug with the wood plug.

When finished, place the polythene bag over all the holes.

Put a heavy weight on top i.e. wheels and tyres or gas bottles. Leave for 24 hours to dry.

Open all windows to ventilate the caravan before starting the final tasks.

Protective clothing (masks and gloves) must be worn at this stage.

Sand down all plugs until smooth. Replace flooring.

michael



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18/9/2012 at 1:31pm
 Location: Illogan Cornwall
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I did my Bailey Ranger with a delamination kit from a company on Ebay. I had never done anything like this before so was quite nervous. I didn't need to be. It was the bathroom area which was affected so, I took up the vinyl flooring and marked out the floor in a grid pattern. I then drilled 30mm depth holes all over and squirted in the epoxy using the syringe supplied. Within 24 hours, the floor was a solid as a rock. For the princely sum of 36 quid instead of £250 the service engineer wanted to charge. Hope that helps.

 



18/9/2012 at 7:36pm
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someone did the same thing to our van before we bought it and the floor still sunk where it was delaminated, this was soon sorted once it had been drilled and filled with the ready mixed stuff (can't quite think of the name at the moment)

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