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20/2/2013 at 10:33pm
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Our Thetford N80 fridge seems to have finally stopped working. At first it didn't work on EHU but still worked on gas but now it will not even work on gas.OH says it needs re-gassing but not sure who would carry this job out.

Has anyone ever replaced their fridge?

The N80 has half a base (if that is how you would describe it) as the bottom is moulded to go over the wheel arch...are all caravan fridges of this design?

Any advice greatly appreciated!



20/2/2013 at 11:10pm
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if no strong smells from the fridge sometimes turning it upside down for a few hours works.

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21/2/2013 at 8:54am
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You fridge is an absorbtion fridge not a compressor fridge so it contains liquid not gas & if that liquid has leaked out then fridge has had it. Its always worth a try as suggested to remove fridge & invert it but as it don't always improve things you need to be able to diy for this & any other fridge repairs because if you cannot do the work yourself there is little point in paying for a repair attempt that might not work so you might as well have a new fridge fitted, you can buy a new direct replacement for yours.


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Quote: Originally posted by Tentz on 21/2/2013
You fridge is an absorbtion fridge not a compressor fridge so it contains liquid not gas & if that liquid has leaked out then fridge has had it.



The refrigerant in both absorption and compressor domestic fridges is a gas at normal room temperature and atmospheric pressure, although there will be some water in an absorption fridge. In use the refrigerant will go from gas to liquid and back as part of the condensing and evaporation process.

So if there is a leak it will be a leak of gas.

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21/2/2013 at 8:46pm
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Indeed & also yellow gunge underneath fridge which is liquid, in any case you cannot recharge an absorption cooling unit which was the point being made.


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21/2/2013 at 10:36pm
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Many thanks for all your replies. OH has tried inverting the fridge but unfortunately it didn't solve the problem,but obviously worth a try!

I guess the next step is to replace the fridge but as we haven't read many good reports about this model of fridge we were possibly thinking about a different make.

The other thing which we are undecided about is in about a year we would like to change the van to a fixed bed model,so to spend a lot of money on a new fridge seems a bit crazy,but how much more would we have knocked of the value of the van by trading it in/selling private with a fride that doesn't work?



21/2/2013 at 11:02pm
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What is the outside temperature? if it is too cold this affects the operation of some firdges.

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22/2/2013 at 12:35am
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Hi bobmel thanks for your suggestion but the problem seems to be blocked coils, as all the heaters work but it still doesn't get down to temperature :(

 



24/2/2013 at 4:35am
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This ia analgamation of replies on Fridge problems  given to others:

Re fridge not getting cold. I agree with another reply that if you have the fridge more than 3 degs out of level the fridge might not work. The ammonia in the mix has a dose of chromate in it and this can boil off. My method if the unit is getting hot and not working is to remove and tip upside down and wait till the gurgling sound stops. Whilst it is upside down for hour trace the flow of the solution in the pipes...then with a gas torch heat the pipes and give them a medium thump with a rubber mallet. Turn the fridge onto the side where the fluid will go to next and heat and thump as before leave until gurgling stops. Stand fridge upright and give another heat and thump paying attention to where the high pressure line comes out of the tank(boiler)...this is the thin pipe. Now leave for 1-2 hours and then try fridge on electricity (for up to 8 hrs.) before reinstalling into van. With this heat and pump method you are trying to expand the steel tubes of the unit and to clear any blockages. BUT before you do this check the flue to see that the baffle (a twisted piece of metal on a wire which hangs in flue) is still there and hung into place. If it is missing or has fallen into the bottom of the flue the fridge will perform like it has a blockage. Most absorption fridges which are working Gas and Electric have two thermostats. One which is Gas and the other which is AC. So can presume that it is unlikely that both will become inoperable at the same time.

Another thing to look at are the thermostat tube attachments to the evaporator .Are they still attached? Another...In Electrolux or Dometic  fridges for example the evaporator attaches directly onto the unit with screws .Between the the evaporator and the unit is a layer of conductive paste. Are the screws still tight? Is there anything covering the fridge vents in the van either at the side of the van or underneath the fridge. The latter will also cause poor performance.

In  most cases the baffle can be retrieved by inserting a pair of long nose pliers down the flue from the top end and just lifting it out. The wire usually just hooks over the lip of the flue.

Another point...if you look at the picture in Michael’s post …for most RV fridges this is actually mirror reversed...on the right hand side from behind the fridge you will see the boiler tube covered in insulation material. On really old fridges this is was of a square shape and on later fridges cylindrical and indicated that the tube has the later designed boiler tube. This modification was made so that the fridge would be less susceptible to blockages due to out of level situations but although it helped it was not a totally success.

Diagnosing the Cooling Unit:

Three things must be remembered

1. Circulation within the cooling unit is totally gravitational. This means proper levelling is so important

2. Heat created to boil the ammonia has to dissipate into the surrounding air.

3. Proper heat at the boiler section.

4. After the unit has been operating for approx. 1 hr. carefully touch the unit at the boiler box and the absorber area. These areas should be approx. the same temperature regardless of the outside temperature. Equal heat between boiler and absorber indicates that fluid circulation is ok

5. If the unit is blocked or partially blocked ...to the touch this unit will be extremely hot at the boiler with little warmth at the absorber

6. If you have a leaker this unit will be warm at the boiler and extremely hot at the absorber. In this case you are still boiling ammonia but have no hydrogen for evaporation. Check for an ammonia smell around the cooling unit and inside the fridge. This could indicate a leak. Check for any deposits of yellow powder on the tubing which will sometimes form around the area of a leak. Yellow deposits around the fill valve can occur during manufacture and doesn't indicate a leak.

7. If the unit works on one heat source and not another ….this is not an indicator of a bad unit.

8. Make sure that the fridge is level. Sometimes the vehicle is level but the fridge is not due to poor installation. Place a level on the bottom of freezer compartment and check side to side and front to back level.

9. Check door gaskets. A leaking gasket can allow enough warm air inside the refrigerator to overcome most of the cooling being produced. Use a paper bank note. Close door on the note. If no resistance is felt when pulling it out..,the gasket is not sealing properly. Do this on all four sides.

10. Check the venting system to ensure ample air flow is provided at the back of fridge.

I had one case where a customer’s cardigan and a bath towel had fallen to the back of fridge.

11. During cold weather don’t heat up your vehicle like an oven inside. These fridges work best up to approx. 70 degrees fahrenheit outside temperature(ambient). For every degree that the ambient goes up the temperature in the fridge will go up 1 degree.

I hope that these few points will lead to som success with your fridge

Regards

vic4114



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26/2/2013 at 9:12pm
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Hi vic4114

many thanks for your reply.I've printed it out and passed it to OH!

Fingers crossed!



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27/2/2013 at 3:29pm
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Not a solution I'm afraid but an associated problem. Can anybody help?

My Dometic fridge stopped working after many years and an electrician fried replaced the element in the identical position. It worked for about 10 days then stopped working. I replaced the element which, again, worked for about a week then stopped.

The first time The new element was spliced into the existing wiring for the dud element but the second time I took the fridge out and fitted it as new but with no difference in the end result.

I now have another element (courtesy of the supplier)ready to fit for the coming season!

Have I just been really unlucky or I am I doing something wrong when installing the new one?

Any advice much appreciated.

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27/2/2013 at 4:09pm
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PS

or could there be some problem with the operation of the fridge which is causing the element to burn out or whatever causes it to fail?

Thanks in anticipation

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