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Subject Topic: MAJOR damp problem - help/opinions needed
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25/2/2013 at 8:11am
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We had a very nasty surprise yesterday. I paid £450 for an old Ambassador Ace and could see no discolouration or anything that would suggest damp. Being caravan newbs it didn't occur to us to actually poke the walls so what followed is clearly our own fault.

I took down the curtain track from the front window yesterday and found that the walls were soft, so I peeled back the vinyl to be confronted with a totally rotten caravan.



The wooden batons either side of the beige trim are completely rotten. I assume this is the caravan framework? Also this side panel is made from polystyrene and I can't think how to get it out.

The damp (actually it's running-wet) goes right around the front window and halfway up both sides of the two side windows too, from what I can see.

I can't see how to get the shelf/table unit out to check how far down the damp goes- any ideas?



The trim along the front of the caravan is loose - could that really be the cause of all this wet? We can't find any other major leak area, although there now seem to be a few tiny holes in the aluminium itself (why do I never see these things at the time?)


So. There we have it. Is this fixable or have I written off £450? We have a range of fixing skills between us but is this a specialist job?


25/2/2013 at 8:49am
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I've found the fixed it club section. Phew! I feel a bit more hopeful now :)


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Its 'bodgeable'. I would proceed by sealing every gap on the outside you can find including around grab handles with Sikaflex 512 or similar polyurethane sealant, heat cartridge in hot water first to soften sealant & push nozzle right under trim. Try securing loose trim with longer screws. sand off paint & spread Isopon P40 over any perforated external bodywork.

Open up windows, clean & plump up rubbers with silicone lubricant spray. Then let the inside dry out a bit for a few weeks & hope the weather warms up a bit. Once inside is dry then use some Isopon P40 to fill in any gaps & holes & paint with gloss paint, should give you a usable caravan for a few yrs.


25/2/2013 at 9:04am
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Thanks :) The wooden structure is rotted though. I assume that needs replacing. I've bought some mastic strip to re-bed the trim at the front and will definitely look at the Isopon P40 stuff. We're planning to repaint the outside anyway.


25/2/2013 at 9:45am
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So sorry to hear this.

If it's any consolation, my caravan was the same. It had been stored in a garage, and the chap selling said the 'tide mark' on the roof was just condensation - and I believed him!

Of course when I pitched it on the drive and it rained, the tide mark started getting larger and larger on the inside of the roof. There was also a leak through the window seal. And another where the roof joined the front (it's a pop top, so the roof lifts on a hinge).

The first thing I did was to cover the caravan with a tarp to stop any more water getting in while I fixed it.Then I put in an oil filled radiator to dry out the inside... when it had all dried out, I began to fix it, never seen so much sealant in my life! LOL.

A persistent small leak led me to look very closely at the outside, and the front trim had perished, so that had to be done as well! It's the black stuff in the middle of the trim on your third photo down. Easily replaced, you can buy it at seals direct. If it's only the ends, you can buy black marine sealant (liquid rubber) to just do the ends.

At the moment, I'm leak free (touch wood!!)


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25/2/2013 at 9:56am
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Quote: Originally posted by Jax365 on 25/2/2013

A persistent small leak led me to look very closely at the outside, and the front trim had perished, so that had to be done as well! It's the black stuff in the middle of the trim on your third photo down. Easily replaced, you can buy it at seals direct. If it's only the ends, you can buy black marine sealant (liquid rubber) to just do the ends.




Aha! Thanks Jax.


25/2/2013 at 10:57am
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this is the stuff I used on the outside for the seals (get a proper gun sized one - I bought a little one you have to press from the bottom, very hard work!), and this- screw cover trims (scroll down the page to see them, there are several different widths so make sure you get the right one) are what I bought to replace the trim. I put the marine sealant underneath, then threaded it through (I pulled it across with a pair of pliers) and then sealed each end with the sealant before screwing the ends back on.

Edited to add - seals direct will send you samples if you email them with the numbers, so you can be doubly sure you have the right one.

A further edit - when you take out the old trim, just check if you have rusty screws, if so, replace them with new ones if you can get them out. Some of mine I actually screwed into a blob of sealant just to make extra sure!

After you've finished the outside and found out where it's getting in, get the inside dry and start in there. You will have to replace the rotten framework. Before you put in the insulation and put everything back in, take off the tarp and run a hose over the van, while someone is inside to see if there are still any leaks you might have missed anywhere. I wish I had done that, as a repair to the inside had to be undone again as I had missed a bit on the outside!

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25/2/2013 at 11:26am
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Amazing. Thanks Jax. My husband and I (just call me Queenie) were reading some blogs on the fixed it club this morning and saying thank gawd for the internet.

The damp has paled in comparison to the MASSIVE spider I just found lurking under the seats :D I might have to dump the van after all.

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25/2/2013 at 11:31am
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I would recommend you cover the caravan , remove the damp wood ( take lots of pictures as you go , then you can refer back to them when you rebuild ) , dry the caravan inside , rebatten the inside , then before you reboard the inside, reseal the outside and test for water tightness , finally reboard and refit the inside .
Use a plastic scraper or make a wood one, to remove polystyrene .
Do not use silicone sealant for sealing the outside of the caravan use a polyurethane type see here for sealants etc http://www.1carpc.co.uk/wcdr/repair-items.htm .
See here for a front end repair http://www.caravanrepairs.talktalk.net/ rest of The Fixed it Club members here http://www.1carpc.co.uk/wcdr/favorites.htm .

atb

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25/2/2013 at 12:19pm
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Excellent, thank you, Wizard.

Any advice on the spider? :D


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25/2/2013 at 12:24pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Cledry on 25/2/2013
Excellent, thank you, Wizard.

Any advice on the spider? :D



Take heart from this
there was an old lady


25/2/2013 at 12:34pm
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Good luck, Wizard's site is fantastic and will lead you to other members who have done their repairs and have shared their experience.

It always looks worse than it is, until you get stuck in.

Keep us posted.

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25/2/2013 at 6:12pm
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I'll definitely keep you posted. I've well and truly got The Bug.


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Try these for caravan trims...

http://www.phoenixtrim.co.uk/

I emailed the for trim, and have quoted 80p per metre! 

Cheaper than anywhere I've found so far. 17

A girl called Kaye Coles replied and said she'd be happy for me to tell you's all on here about them. 17



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Damned if I don't!!!!


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That doesn't look too bad. The polystyrene is attatched to the wall board and is held in place by what's left of the back of the wall board. If you run a sharp stanley knife (other knife brands are available) around the edges of the polystyrene pieces they will just fall out.

I don't recommend Isopon P40. This is intended for filling dents in car bodies which then get painted over. It is not waterproof unless it is sealed with paint and will be very difficult to remove later to do a proper job. I would be more inclined to remove the loose rail and seal the joint behind with duck tape for the time being. If you can get a dry day then reseal it with a roll of non drying mastic. You can get it in a tube but it is terribly messy.

If you let us know your location, maybe someone nearby who has tackled a similar task could drop by with some pointers.

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