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Can I please just ask your advice on a repairs/warranty matter...

Myself and my husband bought our first caravan in 2011 (an 8 year old Elddis Avante) to see if caravanning was for us. We soon fell in love with it and, in 2013, splashed out and bought ourselves a brand new Elddis Buccaneer Schooner. We did the deal at the Caravan & Motorhome show at the NEC and collected our new pride and joy a few months later once it rolled out of the factory in May 2013.

Fast forward to September 2014. We're on holiday in the caravan in France when hubby notices a feint discolouration around the front rooflight. Not damp to touch or anything, just a very slight mark that I would never have noticed had it not been pointed out.

Upon our return to the UK a week later hubby reported this to an Elddis approved dealer/service centre. After checking it out they told us that the discolouration was from a small leak on the rooflight and they'd need to order new parts. They said they'd call us when it was delivered. We promptly take the caravan away and put it back into storage.

Fast forward 4 months(!!) to January 2015. We get a call from the caravan service centre saying that the new skylight had arrived and to take the caravan back to them.

We get to them, open up the caravan and find it sopping wet throughout and covered in thick green mould (I could have cried!). We leave it with the service centre and tell them to do their best.

It turns out that BOTH skylights were faulty and needed replacing, which was done under the warranty. At first the service centre said that they would replace the mattress and upholstery as they were ruined but would not clean the mould-infested caravan. However, after kicking up a fuss they agreed to a 3 hour clean.

We are still waiting for the mattress and upholstery and have been told that it's going to be roughly another 3 weeks but possibly longer.

So, my question to you (and sorry it's taken me an age to get to this bit!) is do you think it's fair for me to expect some sort of compensation from Elddis?

We have been unable to use the caravan since September, and are still unable to use it for another few weeks. I've told the service centre that we have a holiday booked for 20th March, to which they said they'd hope we could have it back by then but there are no promises.

Part of me feels that, when we buy a brand new (and top-of-the-range) caravan which then leaks and is unable to be used for at least 5 months, Elddis should offer us another caravan instead as surely that time frame is unacceptable and makes a mockery of their 'water ingress guarantee'. My husband is in the forces and so we can't just book time off work when we fancy it. We have already been unable to use the caravan for his 10 day October leave and 2 week Christmas leave. If we miss the 2 week Easter leave as well we'll be gutted.

I've also got the issue of the bedding that was in the caravan that all got ruined. Who pays to replace that? The service centre said that we should have emptied the caravan if we knew it was leaking. I said that it wasn't leaking 5 months ago when we reported the problem, it was just a mark, and we had no idea it would get this bad.

Sorry, this has turned into a rant! I just don't know whether the service centre are trying their luck with us.

Any words of wisdom and other people's viewpoints would be appreciated, even if it's just to say "that's the way the cookie crumbles, deal with it!".

Many thanks and sorry again for the long post!!

Sarah :)



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I'd say not fit for purpose and the people that need to replace it are the suppliers not Elddis

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Generally warranties exclude compensation for loss of use. Provided caravan is returned to 'as new' condition then warranty conditions have been met. As for your bedding, negotiate hard & you might get recompense.

Provided caravan is returned to you in good condition with good quality repairs carried out then this is the best outcome you can hope for outside legal action, I would have thought.


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Also worth pointing out. A caravan should not just be forgotton about when not in use. If caravan is not going to be used for considerable period of time, ie over winter. Remove all clothes/towels etc & bedding that did not come with caravan. Leave cupboard & toilet doors open to ensure permanent ventilation is not obstructed to allow air to circulate throughout caravan. It does help if you can check caravan regularly when in storage but if it is not possible then at least do the above.


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Quote: Originally posted by Billy.... on 03/2/2015
Also worth pointing out. A caravan should not just be forgotton about when not in use.


I agree and we're kicking ourselves for not checking on it more. My husband was out of the country for most of the winter with work and I must admit it's not something that even crossed my mind.

I've filed that under "things I've learned the hard way" :0/

I'll see what I can do re: bedding. I think the bloke at the service centre already thinks I'm a snotty cow! I pointed out a chip in the wood effect bit of the ceiling where a cupboard has been removed and said I assumed that it'd be sorted. His reply was that "it's not on the list". I told him to get it on the list pronto!

Their customer service is pretty poor, I certainly won't be going back once this is all done. Grr!



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"Their customer service is pretty poor"

yes and it all stems from the delay while waiting for spare parts.. the dealer knew there was a leak and told you there was leak.. four months or so later what was a small problem has turned into a major problem..

who is to blame.. all parties concerned is the way i see it.. all parties including you now enter into damage limitation mode.. everyone tries to salvage what they can from a situation that should never have happened in the first place..

not a very good advert for people thinking of buying a new caravan though is it..

trog


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There used to be a guy on here that knew his stuff about your rights under the 'Sale of Goods Act', a very powerful set of regulations that trumps warranty limitations should it come to a dispute such as this.

In essence the Act covers your contract with you bought it off, your dealer then not the manufacturer. If then you buy something of good quality and pay good money for it, the Act deems it reasonable to expect it should last six years without real problem and that anything turning out major such as this is put right too your full satisfaction, not well 'we'll were prepared do this but not that etc.'

Hopefully then this guy is still with us to see this post and give solid advice?, other than that though, you really need to get clued up properly on your rights with a legal firm into this sort of thing.

And frankly given the major damage occurred after the dealer was made aware and concluded what was needed, it then was up to them during any delay, to prevent or at least minimise it getting worse in the time before it was fully repaired.
You then spotting it very early and reporting the matter while barely an issue, totally fulfilled your obligations, after all, how were you to know it would get so bad? your novices!


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That would be: cwdc56768 arc systems.

Maybe he will be along later, or search for his posts.


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thank you Jim, I knew it began with C, but no wonder a name wouldn't come to me!

Gary BTW!


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Your bedding and contents should be covered by your caravan insurance, although tbh, the effect it will have on your no claims bonus plus the cost of any excess payable may make it not economically viable to put a claim in, you may be cheaper just to replace the bedding and linen yourselves.

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03/3/2015 at 7:04pm
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Hi,don't know if it's any help but will share our experience.We bought a brand new Sprite in 2007.Had a few niggles immediately,all sorted by dealer eventually.However,early in 2009,it developed a damp problem in the bathroom-walls were soaking and mouldy.We informed the dealer straight away,and they promised to order parts and let us know when to take it in for repair.We waited....I phoned.....we waited....I phoned....we waited some more.I gave them every opportunity to sort it,but was getting nowhere.
So I eventually phoned Swift directly.They were fantastic!They got in touch with the dealer,then phoned me back and the lady at Swift,in a polite manner,agreed with how unhelpful our dealer were being.She informed me they had never heard anything from our dealer,and no parts had ever been ordered.She then arranged for us to take our Sprite back to the factory for repair.It had a complete new back end,panels and everything,was thoroughly dried out and anything else that could possibly need doing,even if it wasn't related to the original problem,was done.It was like a brand new caravan agin
I know this won't work for everyone,but I was at the end of my tether and didn't know what to do,but it turned out to be the best thing.
Jenny


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I am still at your 4th para and I am thinking - "so why does the dealer not take your caravan at this point and either store under cover or protect with a tarp?"

This I believe to be the nub of the issue, and thereafter, leaving a customer for months with a leaky roof makes the dealer more liable than anyone.

I would engage a solicitor to sue the dealer, and wait for developments.

If you are a member of the Caravan Club, they might fight your case with their legal department.



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