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Subject Topic: Caravan Charger Fault ?? Post Reply Post New Topic
18/3/2006 at 5:06pm
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When on mains power everything works fine but battery only shows 12.3v. When on battery power only the main saloon light works, nothing else. Whats going on? Is the charger duff? (I don't even know where it is!). The van is an Abbey 415 GTS Vogue (Year 2000) end bedroom.

Many thanks in advance............Graham.



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i have the abbey handbook for 1991, 18 models covered  says....... 

no 12v supply working in caravan

1 check battery connection is secure

2 check battery fuse in transformer

3 battery discharged

4 loose or dirty battery connnections

5 mini circuit breaker has tripped



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18/3/2006 at 5:24pm
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Thanks for the quick reply Micheal. I've checked out the basics but I think the problem is deeper. I would dearly love a schematic for the charger (When I find it!) Regards....Graham.


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Can you describe the control panel and or anything written on it. Very often the charger is in the back of the control panel or hidden in a cupboard with the mains fuses etc.


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How are you checking the battery? For an accurate reading, use a multimeter.

If your 12.6v reading is accurate, that will be enough voltage to power a 12v light. Which would mean there is either a dodgy connection or fuses have blown.

If the reading is innacurate, the battery may be no longer any use, and may need replacing. Check water levels on battery if it is not sealed.

Use a systematic approach and eliminate what is not the problem. You have already deduced the battery has 12.6v. Go to the first light on the circuit and measure the voltage across the light. If it is 12.6v, you know current is flowing to the light, and it could simply be the bulb. If it is 0v, then no current is flowing, and the fault lies between the light and the battery, which will be either a short or the fuses. No short or no blown fuses would probably point to a fubard battery. Try a car battery just to check.


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Hi Gary, sorry for the late reply. The charger is part of a module (Plug-in-systems). The front cover says it's an ESM2000, inside label says it's a CTTH/12A. There is no voltage at the battery end (When disconnected from the battery) The inline fuse (20A) is ok. I suspect the charger is not outputting 13.8v. Am I right? Am I wrong? Am I doomed??

Thanks also to norbertcolon for your input.

Graham.



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Quote: Originally posted by Graham54 on 19/3/2006

Hi Gary, sorry for the late reply. The charger is part of a module (Plug-in-systems). The front cover says it's an ESM2000, inside label says it's a CTTH/12A. There is no voltage at the battery end (When disconnected from the battery) The inline fuse (20A) is ok. I suspect the charger is not outputting 13.8v. Am I right? Am I wrong? Am I doomed??

Thanks also to norbertcolon for your input.

Graham.




I'm not familiar with your charger, but mine senses when a battery is not connected so will not give an output if disconnected from battery.

Measure the voltage of the battery while charger disconnected, and do the same when connected. Is there any difference in voltage? If there is, and the charger appears to be working, then the problem is the battery or possibly the charger.

Could you borrow another charger? If the same happens with a different charger, then 99.9% says the battery is at fault. If the battery charges then it's your charger.



20/3/2006 at 12:09am
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Have you checked the output fuse from the charger/transformer?  On some models this is on the front panel, on others  (this is the type we have)it is inside the charger/transformer.  On ours the charger/transformer is covered by a box fixed on the back of the control panel and you have to remove the pop rivets holding the cover in place to access it.

However, if your 12v items work when on mains then it points to this fuse being OK.

Is the one light that works connected directly to the battery?



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20/3/2006 at 12:55am
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Clear one thing up, Plug in Systems 'chargers' are in fact 'Power Sources' which supply 10/12 amps at 13.8 volts whether a battery is in line or not.

So as Graham says if there is no voltage change when the charger is turned on then there is a problem. This could be a blown output fuse which is normally a 'blue' 15A spade fuse, (in the fuse bank), or a bad connection between the fuse and the battery...or a duff charger.

Due to other recent problems with these I have established that with PinS control panels the main isolation switch will disconnect the battery but still supply power from the charger to the van in the middle 'Off' position while on hook up. When you change to 'Van' position it then also charges the battery.

What this means is the charger is connected direct to the fuse bank and supplies power to all systems through each individual fuse. The battery is just one system although it should be able to return power to the whole system if the charger is turned off while the switch is in the 'Van'  position.

Using this bit of info hopefully you will be able to get a bit further with what the problem is.



20/3/2006 at 7:18pm
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Many thanks to; norbertcolon, kjellnn and Gary at Arc Systems. I will look into this power system further, (when I get the chance!) in particular, the output transformer fuse. Thank you all again,............Graham.



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