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31/8/2006 at 10:55am
 Location: Middle Earth
 Outfit: Former tin tent owner
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Hi Purplehat

Sorry to hear about your husband and I really hope he is on the mend. Its funny that I get to see both sides of the bacteria fence. One one hand i'm trying to get them to breed in my current job, yet on the otherhand as an Emergency Transport Attendant with St.John Ambulance i'm trying to kill them off.

I agree with what your saying, but the problems with formaldehyde lie further down the line in the water treatment plants. It doesn't take much to kill off an effluent plant believe me its happened here (we use formaldehye as a biocide as well as Peroxide and BIT) in our products and I hate the stuff, and it always gives me the shakes the way production splash the stuff around then wash it down the drains. What i'm getting at is the nitrosomas and nitrobacters are more easily killed off than the likes of E Coli, C Diff etc. Which disrupts the balance in any activated sludge system, and takes ages to get going again. Sorry if I confused anyone. I have to say that running an effluent plant is a bit of an art rather than a science as you have little control over what the little buggers are up to, and anything that disrupts or is out of the ordinary can be catastrophic, leading to all sorts of nasty stuff leaching into the local watercourse.

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31/8/2006 at 1:33pm
 Location: Worcestershire
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Firstly I would like to thank 1745 for his update and what he proposes seems fair enough regarding arriving at the site with Elsan or similar.

However my argument is about why the green products are so much more expensive than others with formaldehye.  Almost double the price to be precise.  That does not encourage people to go green. 

By the way the farm we lived on is now occupied by squatters in Mugabe's fabled land and has becomes derelict, so the septic tanks no longer bother me.



31/8/2006 at 2:34pm
 Location: Middle Earth
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I think its like anything else green i.e organic food, fuel etc. There will always be a premium to pay if they can't pile it high sell it cheap. Although I have to say I have not found top and tail to be anymore expensive. Infact for the flush tank you actually add less than for the pink fluid.

Jon

 



31/8/2006 at 7:26pm
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.........SPEEDI's thoughts .......you are either an ecofriendly responceable type and  use the green or you are the of 'the i dont care it wont happen in my life time' group .. me im one of the eco type i have used the blue in the past but when i learnt it was bad for so many things i switched and went green OMF's t&t does it for me and if he says it good then i trust him he is of the old school and believes in his products ....



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31/8/2006 at 7:55pm
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Speedi, your either/or is a bit simplistic.  People do care, but you could argue that if we were responsible eco-folk, then we wouldn't have cars to tow caravans with!

I want to see green, but preferably not on my hubby's face as he lies in hospital.



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31/8/2006 at 8:13pm
 Location: East Yorkshire
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How would a site owner know what was in your tank? ( we fill ours up before we go) does he personally empty your toilet? He gets my vote if he does at the end of the day is it really worth falling out over? people buy products on price/ ethics/ smell colour etc etc whatever reason is important to them. Its the same priciple when buying food etc we should all buy local and not use supermarkets and run our cars on biofuels etc sometimes its just not practical.

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01/9/2006 at 1:37pm
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Quote: Originally posted by jonbob71 on 31/8/2006

I think its like anything else green i.e organic food, fuel etc. There will always be a premium to pay if they can't pile it high sell it cheap. Although I have to say I have not found top and tail to be anymore expensive. Infact for the flush tank you actually add less than for the pink fluid.

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2 litres Top & Tail cost approximately £10

4 litres Elsan cost approximately £10

No contest!

Guess it is that big bad rip off Britain again. 

 

 




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