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17/3/2016 at 10:21am
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Hi, I'm looking to buy my first family tent, we have two boys 2 & 3. heading for france in June. I've considered the Kampa Brean 4 classic Air- £699, the equivalent outwell tent for polycotton , the rosewll 5ATC is 1299
Is it worth spending almost double for the outwell, I’ve done a bit of camping in the past, we will use it for weekends in Scotland , expect to use it 3-4 times a year
Thanks for any advice
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Welcome to the forums, George.
I can't comment on the individual tents per sé, as I've not seen either in the flesh, but looking on the web, here are some things that might help you make your decision.
If you dig deep enough, you'll almost certainly find (but I stand to be corrected) that the Kampa will be 35% cotton/65% polyester, whereas the Outwell will undoubtedly be 65/35, so "a better mix".
Personally, having owned 2 Kampa classics, I wouldn't let that bother you, (as I thought they were excellent) but it may bother others.
The Outwell offers an additional 650mm in total length (albeit the front corners are cut away), and 550mm in external width.
Within that, the Outwell also offers an additional 50mm in the length of the bedroom. That may not be so critical if you sleep on floor mats, but may affect knee-high camp beds, due to the rear sloping walls.
I personally prefer flat fronts over sloping fronts, both from an aesthetic and practical point of view, but appreciate many folk like the "added protection against head winds" that sloping fronts offer. Whilst they both seem to have reasonable rain covers over the door, the Outwell does appear that offer that little bit more.
Having become early converts to both polycotton and Kampa in particular, we would go with the Kampa, however, crucially, we are just 2 adults, and I honestly think that the Kampa will be too tight for your family of 4.
I'm no Doctor, but those two cherubs you currently have are almost certainly going to soon get a lot bigger, a lot faster, and quite probably going to need a lot more gear/clothing, too!!
The very first thing that was drilled into me when I joined these forums was... Number of persons PLUS 2!! So with that theory, you ought to be looking at a 6 berth, or at the very least, a large 5 berth, so the Outwell may just suit!
Additionally, should that ultimately prove too tight for space, the Outwell appears to have the option of an additional front awning. I get the impression that this is not an option for this particular Kampa?
It pains me to say it, but of the two tents you mention, that extra dosh for the Outwell would indeed prove to be the wiser move. But more for dimensions plus optional extra's, as opposed to anything to do with quality.
Final thought?
Start again... Look at 6 berths!
Either short and very wide (usually 3 poles/tubes), but preferably with the option to extend if need be (with an additional awning) or an all-in one longer model (With built in front awning), which normally have 5 poles/tubes.
No need to dismiss inflatable, polycotton, or indeed either of your two aforementioned manufacturers.
You're certainly on the right lines!
Good luck... enjoy the search!
 
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17/3/2016 at 2:14pm
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Very good of you to take the time there, lots of good advice. I'll start again and look at 6's.
I agree I like the idea of maybe buying an awning next year, I'll be buying sleeping bags and something to sleep on this year. Shirley asked about that last night. When I used to camp on fishing trips, it was a £10 bag on the deck. What's the option now, I would have thought camp beds were bulky, is it a choice of mats or inflatable beds
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Again thanks Mucker, invaluable
Also, whats the best cool box, I assume everybody has one that runs off the car 12v with a tx to give 12v in the tent
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17/3/2016 at 2:51pm
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Camp beds are bulky, yes, but if you have the room to transport/store, then for many of us (with dodgy knees/backs etc!) they are an absolute God-send! ...And of course, offer valuable storage room underneath... not to be sniffed at, if tent space is at a premium!
Whilst there are plenty of folk who are still happy with air beds, there appears to be an equal number of folk who have just got fed up of them, either as they are "cold bags of air on the floor", or because they let themselves down... literally!! 
What may have come to the fore in your time away, is the ever popular SIM (Self inflating Mat). As the name suggests, it (sort of) inflates itself when you open the valve (you may need to add a few breath's yourself). Basically air rushes in to expand foam within. I'm not au fait with ye olde air beds, but I get the impression SIMs are a considerable improvement. Thicker materials, stronger joints/seams, warmer due to the inner foam etc. Far more comfortable (No elbows reaching the hard floor and no sea sickness!!) Maybe a tad bulkier than an air bed when packed. They do come in various thickness's, commonly, 3cm, 5cm, 7.5 and 10cm, and of course, various qualities and prices.
If I had to choose, presuming all joints/backs etc are up to scrambling around at floor level, I'd say go for a reasonable 5cm as a minimum (certainly for adults) or preferably a 10 cm, on the floor.
For the ultimate set up, consider plonking a camp bed underneath, which of course you can do at a later date, possibly for just the 2 adults? Sleep-wise, the SIMs on the floor should prove more than good enough for year one, if there is the slightest consideration for budget, storage space and/or car boot space. I'm pretty sure they do smaller ones that would suit your boys for a good few years.
As for sleeping bags, that's very much a case of personal preference. Millions on the market, of course.
Personally, we are addicted to our (removable) fleece lined "5 season" fishermans bags, but they are not exactly cheap (c. £85 each, so far from top of the range!), but equally, they are extremely bulky when in the boot of the car, so not ideal for everyone. They do have that "Duvet feel" though, being heavy. (I take that as a positive).
Some could also argue that they could prove too warm for some folk... but my missus would just laugh in your face if she ever heard such tosh!
Plenty of folk just take their duvets/pillows from home, certainly to start with. Can see why, to be fair.
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Thanks for the kind welcome. I would consider 2nd hand but my better half thinks we should buy new, given it will be holiday home for many years. She wants polycotton and new.....
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17/3/2016 at 3:03pm
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RE your added edit regarding cool boxes. If the bulk of your camping is likely to be for a few days at a time, don't automatically presume you need powered cool boxes. There are some excellent non-powered boxes out there, that claim to last 5 days. With a strict, military-like pre-cooling regime for a few days before you set off, I'd have to say they do actually work. Very well, in fact!
Either google "5 day cool boxes" or look at the one we are happy with, the Coleman Xtreme (Various sizes).
We can discuss the afore-mentioned pre-cooling regime at a later date, should the need arise!
For the record, our cool box does us fine, even for a fortnight in France, with added freezer blocks every 3rd or 4th day (An on site freezer is a boon, to re-freeze bottles of water or ice-blocks for this job).
I must add however, we do little in the line of fresh meats and poultry etc. Just a little salad, a few yoghurt's, milk and of course, cold beverages!
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17/3/2016 at 3:13pm
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A good idea to consider a larger tent. We have a 5 berth with an extension for just the 2 of us for our French camping!
Can I add a couple of thoughts to the excellent advice already offered...
Have seen lots of questions from people having problems obtaining the correct (or matching) awning / extension / canopy for their tent. Manufacturers don't often keep the same model or colour for very long and you could find the said accessory unavailable if you leave it for a year before buying it.
Coolbox - lots are on the market that are dual 12v / 240v. Not sure whereabouts in France you are going but these will not be up to keeping food chilled in the high summer temperatures of the south. However we find them great in Brittany / Vendee / Loire in June. Quite a few sites will hire fridges.
We love our Aerobed but I know lots prefer the sleeping arrangements that Mucker advocates.
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We hovered between a Kampa and Outwell polycotton inflatables this time last year, having previously had a Kampa poled polycotton tent. They weren't particularly similar, in that the Kampa was bigger. Went for the Outwell (Concorde M plus awning) despite the extra ££s because the layout suited us better, and there was something about it that to us just felt nicer. Our choice was made seeing them side by side. The Kampa undoubtedly offered better value for money.
For you,whether the Outwell is worth the extra expense, only you can judge. Depends what your preferences are, and how much you can comfortably spend.
As was said above, a 4 man would be too small for a lengthy stay, so do look at 5s or 6s.
If you go with an Outwell that has an optional awning, as was said above, do buy it at the same time as the tent, because next year the design is likely to change. Also, in the unlikely event that you suffer some quality issues, it's better the two came together; I did see reports of someone on this forum who got his tent refunded but ended up with an awning he couldn't use, having bought the two from different retailers.
Cooler: my preference, especially when in France in the summer, is a 240v compressor fridge running , obviously, off mains hook-up.
Beds - we use 10cm Outwell sims on canvas/steel Go Outdoors campbeds. When new, these were extremely comfy. But after about 50 nights, over 2 years, they've gone a bit soggy.
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Although didn't go down the polycotton route, when we changed our tent last year we got it down to the Kampa Croyde 6 and Outwell Montana 6. Both had their benefits but we thought the Kampa offered much better value for money and matched the Outwell for quality. What really swayed it was looking at both in the flesh.
You need to actually look at erected tents and pick the one that feels right!
One thing I will say though, we are a family of three (mum, dad and 10 year old) and the 6 person Croyde, although big, is just right but we do like a bit of space!
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As for beds, we have a double Outwell Posadas and a single Kampa Dream. Both with 5cm sims on top, best nights sleep I've ever had in a tent!
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Quote: Originally posted by Trekkin Tekkie on 17/3/2016
...If you go with an Outwell that has an optional awning, as was said above, do buy it at the same time as the tent, because next year the design is likely to change. Also, in the unlikely event that you suffer some quality issues, it's better the two came together; I did see reports of someone on this forum who got his tent refunded but ended up with an awning he couldn't use, having bought the two from different retailers...
The first bit is oft quoted advise. They clearly don't make as many awnings as tents, so they can soon run out of awnings, even if the tent is still on the shelf, and certainly once they decide to change the design etc (which seems pretty much every other year, at the most!).
Never considered the other point before, regarding problems with refunds etc. Makes perfect sense though, so another strong reason to buy at the same time. Might make it easier for selling on too, further down the line?
I was nagged on here a few years back, to buy the awning (two poles) to go with my 4 berth Frinton (3 poles), as they were about to be discontinued. As I already had the 6 berth Filey (5 poles) I decided there was no need. If I needed to go with Frinton plus awning, I just took the Filey instead, as they equated to virtually the same size.
I didn't regret that, as it proved to be good thinking on my part (for once!), but if I hadn't have already had that bigger 6 berth, I sincerely think I would have regretted not buying the awning for the 4 berth... many have, from what I've read on here!
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Take a look at the Vango Solace 400 as well, you can enclose the front canopy as well with the added front enclosed awning accessory.
It has the 65% cotton, also Vango are the only supplier so far that you can buy a spare tube just in case. The chances of the tube getting a puncture is slim but if you are in France it might be handy having the spare bladder.
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Thanks very much to everybody, really helpful
we are in Scotland, couldn’t manage to Birmingham for the show which would have been ideal, missed it here, Shirley works shifts, two young boys.
Not too many places in Scotland have tents up to look at.
Im thinking about buying two outwell Cordoba loungers and using them as single beds. I like a lounger when im on holiday (for the rare occasions one sits down) not sure how well they will fold up.
Shirley thinks she will sleep in with the boys and I’ll be in the kitchen area, or other bedroom depending on size we get.
I’m thinking a double SIM on the floor for the boys and two single SIMS with two Cordoba loungers for us. We have an A6 estate with a roof box. Does that sound sensible? I like a lounger
Current short list
Outwell Alamosa 6ATC - awning is 240
Croyde 6 classic - my tighter side thinks this will do the job for 1200
The concorde looks like paying a lot of money for a sheltered door. The awning is 750
I can hit aberfoyle, loch Lomond and surrounding areas under an hour, this tent will get plenty use with two boys, I don’t mind paying 2k , it’s a one off purchase. I’m getting there. :<)
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The Croyde 6 classic air was the Kampa we considered. Very nice tent, and very practical particularly for long stays. Offers better value for money than alternatives. Big tent to put up / take down (& possibly dry out at home) though, which we thought might put us off going on shorter trips. Hence the two-part Outwell option.
You ask if your car is big enough. Have you seen a Croyde 6 Classic Air packed down? Will you be taking cooking kit? Gas bottle? Table/s? Chairs? Cooler?
I'd maybe get the tent in the boot before buying too much more kit?
Or you could start talking, ahem, trailer....
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Hi TT thanks
Yes, we bought the A6 estate just before the 3 yr old came along, I had intended buying a caravan, we have decided to camp having tried both. I've ordered a cooler and fold away table n chair set. The roof box I use is father in law's. We borrow it regularly. My hope is that once I have all my gear. I'll buy the biggest roof box I can get. Thinking; all the family clothes, plus small camp equipment in roof box. Tent, table, beds, SIMS, etc. All in the boot. There's a bit of space in the back. Kids have two kids seats....maybe the loungers are a stretch  
Trailer is a no-no. I want to be able to drive at reasonable speeds, Scotland to mainland Europe in time, Southampton and on
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