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Subject Topic: Vango or Outwell
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PersonTimCESmith
16/2/2018 at 6:28pm
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Thanks Jim. Yes, Kampa had a faulty batch where the interconnecting hoses disintegrated. The problem for us has been that the connecting points create a weakness in the main beam sleeves, leading to all the explodey beam trouble.

The convenience of plugging an electric pump into a single point and watching the tent put itself up is such a bonus that I'd probably go for a SmartAir tent again. That said I'd definitely open it up and have a good look at the connecting bits.


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PersonJim1977
16/2/2018 at 7:28pm
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You'd like to think after 5 years they'd have ironed out a lot of these issues and refined the design, so hopefully a 2018 or 19 model would not have these issues. Early adopter woes maybe! They do look to have changed the material the beam sleeve is made from to a more rubbery looking material compared to the suspect woven stuff that was failing and then allowing the inner beam to bulge through and rupture, so that bodes well.

They really could do with a way to regulate the pressure in hot weather to save the user having to regulate it manually. Remember reading on here someone had the perfect storm of very hot weather and strong wind with their Harrier. They couldn't inflate the beams enough to stop it collapsing at the back for fear of the heat blowing a beam.


PersonMucker1884
17/2/2018 at 8:34am
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I'm mightily impressed that those tubes of yours are still going strong, Tim!


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PersonTimCESmith
18/2/2018 at 7:14pm
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Jim, I heard of some manufacturing defects in last year's Vermont SAs, so as a technology it still calls for a test pitch.

I've seen a frustrating vid of a Harrier collapsing at the back. I'd have re-pegged all the end wall points and got the rain-skirt taut, tightened the vent guys and storm guyed that end beam so it was guyed against the direction of collapse as well as against the wind. Also, my experience is that a good breeze stops the inside of the tent - and the beams - from getting too hot, so I'd have got some airflow in the tent and increased the pressure, if only in that one end beam.

Mucker, thanks for that! It's an amazingly strong tent apart from the beam material. I do pitch it with reasonable care but I've not had to pamper it at all - apart from a bit of gaffer tape once a year.


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Personjohn#mel#3kids!
22/2/2018 at 7:38pm
 Location: west yorks
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Just buy my hawaii reef, then you have the best of both worlds polycotton and strong poles


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PersonJustinParker
26/2/2018 at 4:16pm
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Rhubarbs just fyi the Greycliff has moved to the older thicker polycotton fabric that Outwell used to use. Its same thickness as the WL7 I bought 8 years ago. The groundsheets arent as thick as they zip in groundsheets used to be so will be interesting to see how these hold up now that they are sewn in.

The Greycliff was on offer at the camping show for £2239 including carpet and footprint this weekend so not that much more than Vango now.

The 3 main contenders are Outwell Greycliff, Vango Illusion, Kampa Studland all great tents just personal choice really on size and layout.

The Greycliff has longer bedroom pods at 250cm long and has some nice new feature like windows with curtains in the bedroom pods.

Both Vango and Kampa have an extra bedroom pod that can be put up in main lounge area if you want an extra bedroom.

The Outwell uses two separate inflation points with shutoff valves between individual tubes. The main body of tent has 1 and then the zip on porch (that you must use) has another separate inflation point

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Personjohn#mel#3kids!
27/2/2018 at 5:00pm
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Just been over to look at some Outwell and vango tents at outdoor world direct, upon asking the salesman, he maintains vango still have the best tents in the air range, and are better made, also the beams are more reliable, with less than a 1% failure rate in 2017


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Personrhubarbs
27/2/2018 at 9:18pm
 Location: buckinghamshire
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Thank you Justin and John, Mel,3Kids for your informed replies.


Personjohn#mel#3kids!
27/2/2018 at 9:26pm
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BTW, the vango polycotton airbeams look the biz, if I was a more serious camper and not the weekend type I would have one tomorrow.



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