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Quote: Originally posted by tentadventurer on 17/8/2013

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Thanks Basichendo, I just had a look. Really helpful. The kampa site says it has a full SIG so surprised to read it hasn't. Think we'll probably go with something else in that case.

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My son has just bought a Concorde L as he needed a tent for this year and this suited his requirements. While looking he did learn that next year the concorde doesn't have a sloping front, and has a small canopy instead.

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Yup, I've seen the odd montana porch lift in wind, its what caused us to buy a slopey fronted tent. However the front of ours is a porch so it doesnt matter if rains as we can peel back the groundsheet. What I don't understand is why outwell sells a carpet for the yellowstone porch which has a similar design as its bound to get wet

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Quote: Originally posted by Mucker1884 on 18/8/2013

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Quote: Originally posted by tentadventurer on 17/8/2013Thanks Basichendo, I just had a look. Really helpful. The kampa site says it has a full SIG so surprised to read it hasn't. Think we'll probably go with something else in that case.

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No, the Kampa site says.....

"The main tent has a fully sewn-in groundsheet to keep draughts and bugs out and the front porch has a bathtub groundsheet that you can install or remove depending upon how you want to use the porch."


My take is, rightly or wrongly, that any tent with a canopy will have either no Canopy groundsheet, or an optional separate one. A SIG throughout would mean it wasn't a canopy.... just a long tent, with a front room!!

Mucker
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We have seen too many tents destabilised and wrecked by the wind hitting head on to an upright tent or getting under an open canopy. All of our tents have been chosen with windshedding features in mind. Frame tents and such as the Bear Lake have strong horizontal braces to help spread the strain from the front pole across all poles. Many upright fronted tents don't do this or do not provide strong enough cross braces. We have actually seen some cross-bracing poles fail (e.g. in a Royal tent).

By the way, in many of the vertical fronted conversions of earlier designs (e.g. Vango Samara from the Vango Sungari) there has been no additional head height space added, the front has just gone vertically down from the front pole, removing all the floor space/storage/table/seating/play space forward of this. It effectively reduces the usable space. Only by adding an extra pole do you get more space.

The side porch of Vango's Columbia and Outwell's Montana provides an excellent solution to the issues of access in the wet, as does the positioning of the side doors of Vango's Kairos 400 under a pole sleeve (which then acts as a gutter). Sloped windshedding tent designs do not have to result in you getting wet. A quick tarp over the front in most weathers also deals with access, but you can take it down in adverse weather so allowing the windshedding shape of the tent to kick in and do its job.

Quote: Originally posted by Basichendo on 24/8/2013..... Hi Mucker, what is being referred to here is the ground sheet in the main area, not the canopy. It's advertised as a full SIG... But it isn't. It could be, just like, I think, the croyde, with a zip along the bottom of the partition. But, it doesn't have this and that's what I remarked on in my review, which tentadventurer is referring to.

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Quote: Originally posted by Mucker1884 on 25/8/2013

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Is this why you state the Woolacombe is not a "Full SIG"?

And by that reckoning, strictly speaking, would my Filey be better described as 3 parts SIG (Rear plus 2 sides) and 1 part ZIG (Front)?


PS....
I have a horrible feeling that the above may be coming across as me being pedantic, but I assure you that's not the case.... I'm truly trying to get my facts straight/learning the correct terminology (for both my own satisfaction, and to ensure that I don't make a habit of misinforming folk on here, in future!)

Have I got it now? Please say I have!!

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