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05/9/2013 at 7:02pm
 Location: Surrey
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I've always put the rain cowls on the outside as per instructions from Soulpad ( I camp with a lot of Bell tenters and they all put the cowl on the outside too).


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05/9/2013 at 7:09pm
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Quote: Originally posted by jayner on 05/9/2013I've always put the rain cowls on the outside as per instructions from Soulpad ( I camp with a lot of Bell tenters and they all put the cowl on the outside too).

Well they are wrong, sorry. Well im pretty sure they are, always happy to be proved wrong though. I've been camping in bell tents for over 15 years, professionally every week at an outdoor persuits centre. Many friends have them too and the rubber peice was always on the inside. We had some frame canvas ridge and patrol tents with a similar system, always on the inside.

I just looked on the Karma Canvas website photo gallery - no rubber piece on the outside.

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05/9/2013 at 8:07pm
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I've always put on the outside, in fact forgot ours on a recent trip to France, so made some out of available plastic and put on the outside-that worked. HOWEVER, my hubby (who is an ex scout leader) says they should go on the inside-same as autopilot explains.

Any which way-I need 3 new ones 'cus I've lost mine for the Emperor!

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05/9/2013 at 8:26pm
 Location: Earth
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Quote: Originally posted by achy on 05/9/2013I've always put on the outside, in fact forgot ours on a recent trip to France, so made some out of available plastic and put on the outside-that worked. HOWEVER, my hubby (who is an ex scout leader) says they should go on the inside-same as autopilot explains.

Any which way-I need 3 new ones 'cus I've lost mine for the Emperor!



You probably are more likely to lose them on the outside :)

On the vango canvas frame tents at one centre the stores manager got so sick of people losing them he glued them on. But to be honest, I never saw any rain get in even without them. I doubt it really matters, some bell tents come without them.


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05/9/2013 at 11:16pm
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Yes we've lost a few (not whilst actually camping tho). I bought replacements but they don't fit very well. The inside outside debate has me intrigued now. I've actually got some Wooden Tent Dollies now as they are much harder to lose and I definitely know they go outside lol.


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06/9/2013 at 7:50am
 Location: Kent
 Outfit: 5m Bell Tent & Olpro Pop Tent.
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The reason I asked Autopilot was when we did our test pitch I noticed when the cap was on the inside and we started to guy and the tent started tightening the cap seemed to bed in nicely in the hole and looked as if it would be water tight to me. Otherwise I think I would have put it on the outside. But for me on our 1st trip we will put it on the inside. I also like the idea of a bit of extra protection when the canvas is pushing against the A frame. But I suppose it wouldn't hurt to get another cap and put it on the outside for extra rain protection. Geoff


06/9/2013 at 11:39am
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Quote: Originally posted by geoffprinter on 06/9/2013The reason I asked Autopilot was when we did our test pitch I noticed when the cap was on the inside and we started to guy and the tent started tightening the cap seemed to bed in nicely in the hole and looked as if it would be water tight to me. Otherwise I think I would have put it on the outside. But for me on our 1st trip we will put it on the inside. I also like the idea of a bit of extra protection when the canvas is pushing against the A frame. But I suppose it wouldn't hurt to get another cap and put it on the outside for extra rain protection. Geoff



Yep, that's how they work - its the pressure that creates a water tight seal. Each to there own, but I also think it would look a bit silly having the cap on the outside, you should just see canvas. For my own piece of mind, I did an extensive google image search and can't find a single example of it on the outside. I suspect its a common and easy mistake though.


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06/9/2013 at 1:42pm
 Location: Aberdeenshire
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My first bell tent came without a rain cap. I didn't know they existed until someone mentioned them on this forum

After a wet experience when the rain came running down the A frame and made puddles on the floor I invested in some which I've always put on the outside. That way the water is shed away from the eyelet and can't possibly get in. Otherwise the rain is going to run through the eyelet and then you have to hope that the cap is tight enough to stop it going any further. Sooner or later it's going to filter through. After all, how big is a water molecule? I can't see the advantage of having the cap inside really.

Edit: Autopilot, I've found three manufacturers who say the cap should go outside, one complete with photo, but can't find any who recommend putting it inside.


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06/9/2013 at 2:24pm
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These comments got me thinking about my canvas ridge tent from BCT. It has A frames front and back and the caps are a different style from the bell tent type.

There is an additional piece of fabric underneath the apex of the tent for reinforcement. Both the outer and inner layers have an eyelet and when the spike goes through both eyelets there is a depth of at least a centimetre down the eyelet hole to the A frame.

If the cap went on the inside, the hole would fill with water and there would be nothing to stop it leaking through between the two eyelets. Also, the cap is made of rigid plastic so it wouldn't squash against the inner eyelet to form a watertight seal.

If it's put outside it covers the eyelet holes completely. (Edit: just checked the instructions and the caps do go on the outside.)





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06/9/2013 at 4:14pm
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Makes sense to me Sarah

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07/9/2013 at 8:55am
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Inside or outside they both seem to make sense. I think £3.99 for 3 spare caps is the answer. One inside one outside and one spare for when I lose the outside one as I am bound to do. Geoff


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07/9/2013 at 10:09am
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£3.50 for 3 spare caps from Soulpad! But there is delivery charge to consider! I have some spare caps some where but can't find those either-I think I may go down the dolly route, at least they are bigger!

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07/9/2013 at 5:55pm
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Soulpad offers free shipping to most areas.

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