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26/3/2008 at 8:59pm
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There's been a lot of talk over the last few days about tents (and campers) struggling to cope in the stong winds. I seem to recall someone mentioning that using rubber or elastic bands to connect the end of the guylines to the pegs is a good idea as it allows the tent to flex and doesn't stress the flysheet as much. Is that right or am I talking rubbish?

Rich.


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26/3/2008 at 10:42pm
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I think that thread related to fixing bands (pegging rubbers) to the rigid SIG fixings on Cabanon tents, scottybirder.

Khyam guys do have elastic connectors, so that their guys have more give, but I've never seen them on any other tents. I've never found conventional guys and sliders a problem, even in high winds, but don't be tempted to overtension them and, in fact, I'd suggest you slacken them off a bit under those conditions.



27/3/2008 at 12:03am
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As above I think that the designers would use elastic if they thought it best for the tent.  Another thought is that I have never known a flexible pole to snap because of being unable to bend.  It has always been flexing too far that has snapped them.

I have another theory about snapping poles, excuse me if its boring but I would be interested to hear any thoughts from others.  For what it is worth:-

I think that pole breaking is almost always related to them at some time being stressed while not being fully pushed home into the ferrules.  With larger tents and longer poles it is becoming increasingly difficult to ensure that all joints are properly tight.  The effective leverage is greatly multiplied if the pole is even only a few mm loose.  It’s also concentrated in a smaller area of the pole where it exits the ferrule. (any maths scholars out there to confirm that?).  Even if this excess leverage doesn't snap the pole on this occasion, it can cause delaminating of the pole around the point of stress.  This becomes a potential point of failure waiting for the next storm.

I think we are often in a rush to pitch and perhaps, especially in bad conditions we might sometimes rely too much on the elastic to pull the joints tight.

Another guy line related thing I have found recently is Line-Lok cam cleats.  I think wet and cold traditional guy runners are a pain to adjust right at the time I should give them most attention.  These things make it so easy and are cheap as chips.

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27/3/2008 at 12:24am
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I agree with the stress notion. I packed the tent up at the end of the last hol and found a split the length of the grounded section of pole. I think this can occur when the tent is on sloping ground. It always seems with me to create an unusual angle of pitch with the poles angled in an irregular manner and therefore under srain. Over time this may be the cause of the breakage.

Of course this may actually be because i am an impatient and crap pitcher of tents.

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27/3/2008 at 9:33pm
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I've used the line-lok cam cleats and they are great. They are rock solid an do what they say they do, you can even get ones that glow in the dark!

 

 

 



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28/3/2008 at 8:08pm
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Thanks for the replies. I must have got the wrong end of the stick about attaching pegging rubbers to guylines. And thanks for the tip about the line-lok cam cleats. Using those in combination with delta pegs must add to the confidence when camping in rough weather.

Rich.


28/3/2008 at 10:43pm
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Quote: Originally posted by bradleymock on 27/3/2008

I've used the line-lok cam cleats and they are great. They are rock solid an do what they say they do, you can even get ones that glow in the dark!


 

I saw those! I reckon with those and fluorescent delta pegs only a drunken idiot would be able to trip over your guy ropes in the dark.

Mind you, on a good night I fall into both those categories.



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28/3/2008 at 11:54pm
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They glow very well too.  Not intrusive, but well visible.Most of my camping is off site so no lighting at all.  Torches ruin your night vision so these things are the only thing to guide you back to your tent or bivi. 

They are so easy to use and adjust I recon all tents will eventualy have them.



29/3/2008 at 1:49am
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Quote: Originally posted by rozinante on 28/3/2008

They are so easy to use and adjust I recon all tents will eventualy have them.


i think you're right - it's sailing tech as applied to camping, and what is camping if not sailing on dry land (-ish). My De Waard tent has about 20 fly pegging points each with its own alluminium runner - pitching the bugger is like straightening the spokes on a bicycle wheel - these things would be much more practical - I'm going to buy a few packs in beige - I'll probably get lynched by the first Dutchman who sees it .

martin




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