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Subject Topic: Outwell Arizona L vs Kyham Freelander Post Reply Post New Topic
07/7/2010 at 4:58pm
 Location: None Entered
 Outfit: Outwell Vango Hilleberg Terra Nova
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Looking at a larger tent for longer stays and 2 people. These two seem to fit the bill as they're compact both in terms of footprint and pack size (for drying/storing at home). The Outwell seems to be out in front but the Kyham looks easier to pitch by 1/2 people and appears to have a larger sleeping area. I take it the standing room is in the living area only on the Freelander? I haven't seen the Kyham in the flesh but saw an Arizona 2009 model at a campsite and it looks ideal as I would prefer something with a small footprint and decent porch for cooking/sheltering from the rain and both sleeping/living areas have standing room if poss (but not essential). However, it appears you have to sleep length ways to get out, you need to step over folks, which doesn't bother me too much.

Have any owners made comparisons between the two models and why did they choose one over the other?


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07/7/2010 at 9:26pm
 Location: Hyde Cheshire
 Outfit: Rapido 7099+ + Kyham Biker
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I have been looking at the Khyam Freelander myself for motorcycle rally's as I need now standing room for when the wife comes.

I currently use the Khyam Biker when going on my own or for when I have to carry the tent on the bike ( for size and quick erect system ).  On quite a few of the UK based rally's the camping gear is taken by van though, so size isn't critical and this is where I would like a bigger tent.

The reviews on this site do not show the Freelander to shine enough for me and the colour appears a bit wishy washy so I have started looking 'out of the box'  and my attention has been seriously drawn to the Quechua Base Seconds 4.1 or even the 4.2. Having seen the videos, seeing an in-store demo at my local Decathlon and reading many of the oustanding reviews.

I would suggest that these may be added to your list in particular the 4.1 which has the smaller footprint.

 

I have 3 weeks to the next big rally to make up my mind. Just wish the Ø85cm packed Quechua could also go on the bike easily as this would then be a 100% deffo for me.

 

 



07/7/2010 at 10:51pm
 Location: Devizes Wiltshire
 Outfit: MWB VW Crafter PVC
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I love my Freelander, despite the issues with the door, which can be easily addressed by putting a simple tarp over it.

It is standing height only in the living area. Being only 5'2, I can stand up to get dress in the bedroom section close to the door.

I can pitch it up myself with ease, and Rapidex system is very easy to use.

It is very cosy with footprint groundsheet and tent carpet.

Just had a look at the Outwell Arizona, and I am not impressed with the size of the living area. The sleeping area will be very tight and cosy as a 3 berth, however, it should work as a 2-berth, providing one does not mind climbing over the other person to get out.

It does have 2 doors, which may be a bit OTT for such small living area IMHO.

It is supposed to be fire-retardant though, which means in theory, one should be able to cook inside the tent.

Personally, I would have chosen the Freelander over the Arizona based on the size of the living area alone, and it has an added advantage due to the Rapidex Quick Errect system.

Hope this helps.

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08/7/2010 at 7:43am
 Location: south london
 Outfit: khyam Rigipod Excelsior
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We are big Khyam fans and I drooled over the Freelander for some time as a possibility for a tent for OH and myself to get away without the kids.

However, having seen both the Freelander and the Arizona L set up at our local camping shop we went for the Arizona and have never looked back!

Plusses of the Arizona L over the Freelander:

More standing height room, especially in the bedroom pod. but I think also in the living area.

Large picture window and skylights making it a lovely light and airy tent even if the weather tuns bad.

Well ventilated.

The door to the bedroom area is huge and can be folded completely out of the way to make it feel like one huge living area (we just slide the mattresses to one side).

You can fit a double height queen size airbed in the bedroom pod without having your face against the ceiling! Although there is limited space around the edges. With self inflating mats or regular airbeds you can fit them either way with space around the sides..

There are two alternative entrances - front large window face, and one of the sides. Great for if the wind direction changes or for flexibility on how you pitch your tent.

It is a simple dome tent - just 3 poles which slide in and then clip to the pins on the ground - the tent is actually 'up' before you need to peg anything, so you can position it as you like. I can easily do it single handed in just a few minutes. The pegging is more for stability and keeping it put.

Minuses:

'Well ventilated could be understood as 'draughty'. The ventilation through the vents etc is excellent, but there is  quite a gap between the flysheet and the ground around the rear half of the tent. This has not been a problem to us, but it has been commented by others. Having said that, I undertand that the 2010 model features a SIG throughout, so would negate this problem.

When the side door is open in the rain, the design of the door means that rainwater lands inside the living area. I solved this last time by adding a canopy to the side. Using the front door in the rain would be the same on both the Freelander and the Arizona - again the sloping side would allow some water to get in if it were open, but not a huge problem. On both the doors can be poled up to form a canopy.

I love our Outwell!



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08/7/2010 at 8:07am
 Location: A quiet pitch with a lovely view
 Outfit: Cabanon Noumea
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I have had both an Arizona L and a Freelander in the past .

I would choose a Freelander if the tent was going to be put up solo because I am confident about using the Quick Erect system to erect a full height dome.

If there was going to be a second pair of hands to help get the tent up, then I would choose the Arizona because of all the pluses listed by B Christie, above.

Both tents suffer from the likelihood of rain ingress in rainy weather when you open a door set into a slopey side but with the Arizona you can at least choose to open whichever door is on the sheltered side of the tent whether you've erected a protecting tarp or not.

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11/7/2010 at 5:13am
 Location: None Entered
 Outfit: Outwell Vango Hilleberg Terra Nova
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Thanks one and all again. That's given me something to think about. A friend and his family who camp are up this w/e so I might ask them for their 2p worth. I must admit though, I'm still undecided. It's such a pity that I can't see either pitched side-by-side so I can have a good walk round. Wildday don't stock Kyham and have stopped stocking the Arizona L for some reason. Maybe it was very popular or the complete opposite!!



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