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01/11/2010 at 10:06am
 Location: Snowdonia National Park
 Outfit:  Quechua XXL IIII
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New camper, single lady, now classified as a ‘senior citizen’.   I’ve been lurking for ages on this fantastic site, trying to work out what tent to buy before prices go up in the New Year.      

Would prefer canvas in which I can stand up in, and looking at postings, a lot of single ladies have a pyramid tent and love them.   So have thought about the Djakarta or ESVO Dakota – would not want a tent any heavier in weight as not sure my body would survive lugging it around.   And definitely cannot make up my mind (it’s the Gemini in me) about whether it would be better to have a SIG. Have looked online at the ESVO Kansas and the Cabanon Noumea (lot of money for a titchy tent – is it big enough to enjoy camping for a week).   But the sites don’t give you the information that you want!

Does having a SIG mean pitching the tent is easier and also you don’t have to spend extra time hooking up an inner and adding a groundsheet to the living area?      I’m a bit of a klutzy woman! On the other hand, are there more benefits to not having a SIG?

My main concern is having to pack up a wet tent in the rain then trying to dry it out indoors – does it make it more difficult to do it indoors if the tent has a SIG?     

Can anyone put me out of my misery?


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01/11/2010 at 1:26pm
 Location: norfolk
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welcome to UKCS,

The Esvo Dakota is a lovely tent, we did wonder about there not being a groundsheet but we ended up just cutting an old tarp to shape and use that as a groundsheet.

We also found that this helped if packing up wet then the tent canvas does not come in contact with the ground and get covered in mud.

As for drying the canvas at home all we have done with our Dakota and Hypercamp is lay them out in front of the fire and keep turning them around.

My theory is that as canvas is a breathable material then the moisture will find it easier to evaporate.



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01/11/2010 at 2:03pm
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A canvas tent without a sig is easier to put over a bannister or a fence (if it's dry outside) but if you do have a sig you can put a garden chair or something similar inside to help circulate the air.

A tent without a sig doesn't necessarily need a groundsheet to be attached to the tent. You just lay the groundsheet out, peg the corners and pitch the tent on top. If you do it neatly you can get quite a good seal and hopefully prevent any drafts from coming in. Obviously you'll not have any drafts in a tent with a sig but then the whole tent is much heavier to carry. It's swings and roundabouts, and I do empathise - it's a hard decision to make.

 

 



01/11/2010 at 2:05pm
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hi there! i cannt comment on canvas tents for you as they're a bit pricey for us atm but we do have a tent with a SIG, only bought it this year after reading about them on here and i would def allways have these kind of tents now as they are soo cosy and great in bad weather to zip yourself in and keep rain and draught free!

ours is one that only takes three poles to erect, wich is so very easy to put up and i'm sure that without my hubby there to help then i could but it up on my own, its got a huge area to sit in and the novelty of the SIG kept us oohing and ahhing all weekend.

 



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01/11/2010 at 3:50pm
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My pyramid doesn't have a SIG. It's very easy to lay out the groundsheet, then unroll the tent onto the groundsheet and erect it from there. Same with taking it down, it doesn't touch the damp grass at all, and rolls up straight back into it's bag. If the ground sheet is wet it can go into a bin liner and go over the swing frame in the garden until it's dry. As it's just the groundsheet, it doesn't matter if it's raining at home, it stays outside.
It's very easy to get a snug fit by laying the ground sheet on top of the mudflaps and by using a carpet. Ours is extremely cosy, and less draughty than the trailer tent!


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01/11/2010 at 9:02pm
 Location: West Yorkshire
 Outfit:  Kyham Freelander and Kairos 400
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My Cabanon Noumea is on the titchy side, but for one it is the perfect size I don't think I could cope with a heavier one! I have only had to take it down in the rain once and it made it heavy.

It goes up quickly and easily and has a SIG.

I also have a Kyham Freelander, which is good but to be honest, I do prefer the Noumea.


03/11/2010 at 10:14am
 Location: Snowdonia National Park
 Outfit:  Quechua XXL IIII
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Thank you for all your suggestions. Just need to ask a few more questions.

•When you mention the groundsheet under the tent is this the footprint that you are encouraged to put under a tent before you pitch it? And if you then have a tent with no SIG you put another groundsheet on top of the footprint in the living area?

• Do the canvas tents have some sort of protection against midgies?   Does having a separate inner give greater protection against midgies at night - they just love me!!   Mind you, they still attack me when out walking in Scotland.

• Brian, the ESVO site says that the Dakota weighs 19.5kg - does this include the inner and the poles?   


• Snowbirdcr , is the Noumea big enough that you could stay in it happily for a week? I will be a minimalist camper in terms of extras, I may indulge and think about EHU.   

Thanks again



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03/11/2010 at 10:32am
 Location: norfolk
 Outfit: Hypercamp Esvo Cabanon
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Klutzy.

we just use a groundsheet for our Dakota we dont bother with a seperate Footprint.

If the tent has a SIG then i would recomend a seperate footprint as it saves having to try and clean mud from the SIG.

Some canvas tents do have protection against midgies, the Dakota does not have any unless you keep the door closed. Although the inner sleeping pod does offer protection at night and is made from a dark red material which also stops the sun waking you up too early;)

The full bag weight of the Dakota is 19.5kgs which includes everything.



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I'd look towards the guadeloupe or the obelink rosas for a weeks camping rather than the noumea

weight of the guadeloupe is 24kg as opposed to the noumea 17kg though (rosas is 28kg)



03/11/2010 at 3:29pm
 Location: A quiet pitch with a lovely view
 Outfit: Cabanon Noumea
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I have a tiny Noumea with SIG and a larger Pyramide 6 without.

The Noumea is lovely and ultra fast to pop up and down but I would find it a bit small for a whole week's stay, unless it was guaranteed fine weather throughout.

Oversized groundsheets take care of draft exclusion in the Pyramide 6. I use two groundsheets, one for the front half and one for the back, simply because I had them already before I bought the tent and it works fine for me.

The P6 is noticeably more work to put up only because it is bigger and therefore needs more pegging. Clipping in the P6 inner only takes a minute or so. When taking the P6 down, you don't have to worry about drying off and wiping clean a larger sized SIG and making sure you don't transfer any mud or wetness from the SIG to the the canvas.

Because of the method of erection I don't find the extra weight of the P6 a factor at all when putting it up and down. I minimise the amount of weight to be lugged in and out of the car by splitting the tent up into more than one bag eg tent, poles, groundsheets, pegs. You would be more limited in how you could do this if the tent had a SIG. Also, I have quite small hands and wonder how easily I could roll up a larger canvas tent if it had a SIG.

Hope some of that helps


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03/11/2010 at 4:33pm
 Location: West Yorkshire
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Merry is probably right in saying that a week in the Noumea would be too much, as I have only ever used it for 4 nights at the most.

However, I think it might be OK for just me.

The midges would get in though, as the door is opened for going in and out. The bedroom only has a curtain divider, so whatever is in the main tent goes into the bedroom.

I have lots of cotton wool balls dipped in citronella oil to keep the flying things at bay!!




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03/11/2010 at 9:21pm
 Location: Snowdonia National Park
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Thank you all so much for putting everything in perspective.   

I think a tent with a SIG which is heavier than the Noumea would probably be a bit of a handful for me to lug around and they probably have more room than I need.   

It now comes down to buying the ESVO Dakota or the Hypercamp Djakarta.   Either seems ideal as I can split the tent up into several bits.    So now comes down to value for money and I may have to toss a coin and decide who will be the winner!!!   Choices, Choices.......

Will definitely need more pitching advice from you all in the future, as being kack-handed nothing goes smoothly for me.




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