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01/9/2011 at 8:03pm
 Location: Touring the UK
 Outfit: Outwell Bear Lake 6
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Hi Guys
I have been a long time reader of this excellent forum and hoped you wouldn't mind me asking for some advice. I've read hundred of reviews on here about tents, visited a good few shops and tried out several in the stores.......

Here is what I need. There are just two adults (both tall) and two small well trained dogs. We anticipate travelling for at least a couple of years; the theoretically better weather in the UK and then the wetter months in warmer parts of Europe. We've looked at Polycotton models from Outwell and the Montana Lake seems like our best option, but are we missing something? The stores we have visited (Go-Outdoors and Norwich Camping amongst others) had a few Polycotton tents but there is nothing like first hand knowledge and experience of living with and using these things......hence the request for guidance on here

We 'think' we need Polycotton as it's more breathable and probably more durable. We won't be going back to work for quite a while and have a camper van to fall back on in the really lousy weather!

We think we will want a groundsheet/footprint and we know we will want a carpet but we are unsure whether these need to be original brands or after-market jobs.

Your honest feedback and contributions will be gratefully received. Not that bothered about budget but I suppose £500 upwards is realistic?? Don't really want to spend more than £1000 as we don't need something thatbig. (Plenty of living space would be great)

Thanks
Stu


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01/9/2011 at 8:51pm
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All I can say is that we are a family of four (2 littluns 5 & 7) and have just returned from our first 9 night trip in the new Montana Lake with Montana 6 Awning fitted. I would recommend the tent to anyone, not an experienced camper by any means as this is our first ever tent and it is also spangly new.

I was expecting a cartoon-like camping trip to reflect the sharp intakes of breath, as witnessed from others when i said i was going camping for the first time. However the experience was excellent,

What i liked: The tent was really spacious and was really warm in the evening and cool in the daytime sun. My parents had the  polyester Montana 6 next to us and complained of being a little cool in the evenings and a lttle stiffling in the midday sun. Not knocking the Montana 6 as apart from being a great tent itself, the deign is what guided me to the Lake version, however the benefit of Polycotton was clear to see. It was also noticeable that daylight streamed through the roof of the Montana 6 whereas the Polycotton controlled daylight better. (you get to sleep-in longer in the mornings..!) Headroom is amazingly good, i needed a large stretch to reach the ceiling to fit a light. We did have one minor leak but went away after drying out again - called 'weathering' apparantly and is to be expected. The facilities to unzip windows leaving them open with a mesh net only is also a good option too. It also pitches out into a grand shape, nice and taught with plenty of windows and zippable options. The double door porch is great too as we have the 'emergency toilet' in there. The zip-in grounsheet is thick pvc like i've never seen before, this really makes a difference underfoot. The poles are near 25mm alloy and visually look extremely strong too. The tent was surprisingly quite easy to pitch, pretty much on my own with a little help to hold bits in place whilst i pegged out guy lines etc. Nearly forgot to add - zero condensation with just a couple of the rear corner vents left open each evening. That was the best bit as nothing worse than waking up to that condensation thingie. Remeber it well from the venture scout vangos!

Also the Montana 6 awning & extension fit no problems, couldnt see the point on spending out on polycotton versions as there are gaping big holes either side anyhow, as extensions attach to any tent..!

What i didn't like: We bought the Montana 6/Lake footprint and carpet too, Extremely good quality products but waste of time really as they are both designed for the Montana 6 which is 300mm shorter. The carpet being a little shorter aint so bad as it just gives that little uncarpeted space for wet/muddy shoes and stops the rain dripping straight onto the carpet when opening the main front door. 

There are probably extemely good other branded tents out there, which you will soon be recommended, I can only speak of what i know and have experienced.

Andy (ps. threw a couple of pics of my tent under the tent review section, cant wait to go again)



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01/9/2011 at 9:19pm
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What a cracking reply! Thanks Andy
You even answered the question I forgot to ask about the footprint and carpet, as I had read that they came up small!


01/9/2011 at 9:32pm
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Apparantly next season will see specific carpets and footprints for the Lake version if you want to be more specific.

Andy



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01/9/2011 at 10:08pm
 Location: Touring the UK
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Don't think I'll be able to wait that long! I suppose I could buy the tent now and then add on the other bits next year......when do tent ranges get updated? Is it after Easter or just into 2012?
£599 for the tent seems to be the best price but Yeomans are out of stock and no-one will match prices until they have stock (don't blame them) Are there any other specialists that I should try? (Tried Go Outdoors, Outdoorworld, Amazon, eBay etc)


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01/9/2011 at 11:28pm
 Location: Essex
 Outfit: Bell Esvo Bedouin 280 Flagstaff 4ATC
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The previews for next years models come out around November time usually but we are threatened every year with increased tent prices so it might be worth trying to get hold of a current model in one of the end of season sales, I can certainly vouch for the quality of Outwell polycotton, having just bought the Yukon river 4 myself, I am well impressed!

I'd also look at the Missouri river 7 if you wanted a larger living area (you just leave out the extra sleeping pod) the colour of these tents really looks the part and it was this and the quality that sold me on the Yukon (the bargain price had a lot to do with it too LOL)

I think that the "river" range are lighter than the lake range too and if you are pitching and striking camp quite often this might be to your advantage... A little trick is to check out the dimensions of other brands of tent's living areas and then compare them to the living area of the tent you decide upon... You can pick up a decent bargain this way (will also work with the footprint)

If you are looking online try somerset camping, world of camping, Outdoor action (can pick up some real bargains here), outdoor world direct, Yeomans (again,you can pick up some bargains here) If you specifically want Outwell you can't go far wrong than Allweathers, they specialise in Outwel tents and usually have some great deals (we got our Yukon from here) and don't forget, if you see a tent cheaper than Go outdoors, they will usually match the price less 10% !!

I would, without a doubt go for a polycotton or even canvas tent, a polyester tent really won't stand the test of time especially with the sun beating down on it (we can live in hope!!) as it will degrade pretty quickly with prolonged use and you will probably have to replace by the end of the year if used constantly

Let us know how you get on and good luck in the search.


02/9/2011 at 12:34am
 Location: Notts Derbyshire
 Outfit: Soulpad 5000tribe Vango 450
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Tentipi if you intend living in a tent for long periods the sun in Spain will kill an outwell and before I get well ours has lasted x years I believe were talking almost permanently living in a tent for 2 years . We got through 3 tents in 3 years cycling round the world . All UV stabilised all like tissue in the end . Or budget to buy two so having a spare !


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02/9/2011 at 8:51am
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Morning Rob! I'll drop you an email during the week :)

Re the tents for extended travelling, then I agree with Rob that the good tipi/lavvu type tents are worth serious consideration. The Tentipi ones are v. expensive, but I know of a bloke, a tree surgeon, who lives in one for months at a time while he is working in Kent, and as far as I know it's now about 10 years old and still going strong.

We have a Bison Tundra 4 lavvu, which is also a brilliant quality polycotton tipi - dead easy to put up, plenty of room, rugged, and so simple. We use a tarp on the ground inside to put sleep mats and clothing bags on and in really heavy rain have never had a problem with anything getting wet. We bought our Bison through a company called Littlebarefoot in Ireland.

The brilliant thing about these GOOD tipi/lavvu tents is that they are suitable for all weathers, you can put a small wood burner in them to keep warm and to cook, and you can even have a small open fire - with the top vent open, and the good side ventilation, the smoke just flies out the top and the air inside stays perfectly safe.

You can easily set up more outside covered space simply by using a canvas/polycotton tarp, a pole or two and some guy lines. This gives you great flexibility.

Another nice thing about these up-to-date tipi/lavvu tents is that the typical packed weight, for say the Bison Tundra 4, is only 12kg, and setting up takes a matter of minutes after the first couple of goes.

If we were travelling as a couple, with a couple of small dogs (like we have) then this would definitely be our tent of choice. We use one of these alongside a 5m bell tent when we go away. Love it.



02/9/2011 at 8:26pm
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Just read all of the reviews for 5m bell tents, and I have to say that I am very impressed. How do you get on with yours Pete? I've looked on belltents.co.uk and Karma Camping and like the look of the design, the comfort and general 'feel' of the things. Did you get a stove for yours, as I would be sorely tempted to get one if the tent can be bought with an appropriate hole already cut in (I am the Worlds worst at DIY)

All told I'll still be looking at around a thousand pounds but it could be the answer


02/9/2011 at 9:31pm
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I'd go straight for an all cotton canvas frame tent tbh. Warm in winter, cool in summer, far more UV resistant than synthetic (a good cotton canvas tent has a 30 year life span for normal use so it should last you two years). Yes a bell tent would be a good choice too but frame tents probably top them for usable space inside.

Or how about a trailer tent? You could get one for well under £1000 at this time of year and it would have a proper bed, good storage that you don't have to pack up between stops, a decent kitchen. Some come wired for electricity too. We've spent several holidays of up to two full months camping abroad in our TT and we've never felt cramped or uncomfortable. (There are four of us.)



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03/9/2011 at 9:17pm
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Impatience got the better of me...I bought an Outwell Bear Lake 6 with front extension and I'm typing this post from it right now!

We got a great price, love the living space and are impressed with the quality of the design and materials used. Will report further once we've had our first night in it!


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12/9/2011 at 11:22pm
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Two weekends in it so far!! A great tent and delighted with our choice. Thanks for the advice guys



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