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30/3/2014 at 1:28pm
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Well in mixed toilets the urinals are for use by both sexes although it seems that, in many cases, they were placed a bit high for women (and some children) to use. I'm in France several times a year and a typical bistro or bar or coffee shop has two cubicles and one urinal. Ironically, one cubical is marked as being for male use, the other for female (that's the oddest bit!) and the urinal is close to them both. In fact, in one place I usually go in, there is a single-person wall instead of a urinal and that is right opposite the ladies cubical. One young woman I met down there (it's almost always downstairs) said she would use it if she thought it wouldn't splash against her, as she would be facing away from the wall.
Specially adapted female urinals are being made in Denmark and apparently the women love using them but they are single-sex.
There used to be mixed toilets everywhere in France at one time. I heard stories about during WW2 when a public toilet was usually just a splash wall with no divisions and everybody, male and female, young and old, lined up together and peed and thought nothing of it as it was the custom.
Before going on a school trip to France, we were warned before going as to what to expect. The girls were told inside the classroom by the two female teachers going, while we were told just outside the classroom by the two male teachers. One of the female teachers said as we were leaving the room that it was probably about the same thing (the toilet situation).
Soon after arriving in France, we stopped at a fairly large café by the road and, after our meal, most people including the teachers wanted to spend a penny so we all made for the toilets. When we got inside, there was a glorified splash wall enough for about 5 or 6 people at one time to use and just one cubicle. I use the term 'cubicle' loosely as it was a squat toilet (we had been warned about them too!) with saloon-type un-lockable doors and was, shall I say, most unpleasant inside.
You've probably by now guessed the ending to this? Yes, all of us, boys, girls and teachers, lined up against the splash wall and peed together, the males facing the wall and the females facing away from it (as the front-facing technique for women wasn't even conceived at that time).
At the end of the day, it didn't seem to bother anyone, even a very strict and stern middle-aged spinster teacher. No doubt facing in opposite directions helped. Maybe there's a lesson to be learnt here. I suppose that if it's what we were used to, it wouldn't be an issue at all apart maybe from the safety angle, which is a concern for children using public toilets on their own anyway.
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I just reminded myself what this forum was all about and looking at the previous postings, I can see a remedy for the problems encountered.
It seems to me that the overriding problem is not unisex toilets/showers as titled but combined toilets/showers (What is worst - being prevented from going when you really have to or being in a toilet or shower for all?).
1 x Decent Size Room
6 x Unisex Urinals (adapted for both male and female use but slightly spaced and with partial dividers in place - no problem there as no person will see another person's person)
4 X Unisex Cubicals
EITHER 4 x Unisex Individual Showers with partial dividers
OR 1 x Communal Shower of about the same size but may take an extra 1/2 persons as no dividers in place (I think the jury's out on that one!)
Obviously these amounts will vary according to the size of the campsite. I'm merely demonstrating proportions in my example.
If viable, there could also be an attendant in place to supervise the allocation of amenities and introduce a security element.
Make sense? simples
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but generally our facilities are kept very clean by users (if they are clean when people go in they take care, but if it looks a mess then they can only add to it)
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