Home

   Log in or Register



Insurance Quotes
forums Campsite Search Comp Directory tips virtual brochure Profile
Tent and Awning Reviews Competitions Caravans and Motorhomes For Sale Shopping Diary Advent Calendar

Advertisement

Message Forums

Welcome Guest Register Login Search The Forum Posts Since Last Visit
 Reception - All Forums
  Campsites and Caravan Parks in the UK
Share   Post on X / Twitter  Share on Facebook  Email  Printer Friendly Version Print
Subject Topic: Sign written vehicles
Page:  1  2 Post Reply Post New Topic
20/7/2021 at 10:28am
 Location: East Herts
 Outfit: 1992 Elddis Wisp 450CT + X Trail
View Colin21's Profile View Profile   Reply to Colin21 Reply   Quote Colin21 Quote  
Joined: 05/11/2013

Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   6270

Site Reviews Total: 18
Site Reviews 2024: 1  
Site Reviews 2023: 1  
Site Reviews 2022: 2  
Site Reviews 2021: 2  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 2  
Site Reviews 2018: 3  
Site Nights 2024: 7
Site Nights 2023: 8
Site Nights 2022: 12
Site Nights 2021: 18
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 21
Site Nights 2018: 18

Quote: Originally posted by Mitchamitri on 20/7/2021
I think the interesting thing is if you own a site you can legitimately make it YOUR law, as much as you can be adults only, ban single sex parties etc. If you want to ban blue cars or poaching eggs before 8am you are perfectly entitled to.



That is very true. It's their land and they can impose whatever rules they decide. If we don't like their rules, we don't have to go there, we can simply go somewhere else. I believe that rules are often imposed by experience. If a site owner has had a particular problem in the past, they will impose a rule they hope will prevent it happening again.


-------------
Best Regards,
Colin


Don't forget to leave a review of the campsites you have visited this year or last!


20/7/2021 at 6:11pm
 Location: 
 Outfit: 
View Mitchamitri's Profile View Profile   Reply to Mitchamitri Reply   Quote Mitchamitri Quote  
Joined: 28/6/2018

Gold Member
Gold Member

Forum Posts:   355

Site Reviews Total: 0
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

From a "human rights" point of view its interesting that you can ban certain "protected legal characteristics" from your site even if by law you cant use them to define who you would employ, or by law how the police treat people - age, sexuality, religion, colour etc.   .....I assume you can't ban people by race, sexuality etc. Or can you? I seem to remember a case from a few years ago of a strictly christian (a certain kind of christian as its quite possible to be devout and tolerant - but thats not the point) - B&B where they turned away a gay couple who had booked. I cant remember what happened to that case?

I mean - Adults Only Site.........why, exactly, do you want an adults only site? There's connotations to it that imply a certain sense of compliance that other non conventional parties would not be welcomed.


20/7/2021 at 7:53pm
 Location: Somerset
 Outfit: Murvi Morello
View chrisandsandra's Profile View Profile   Reply to chrisandsandra Reply   Quote chrisandsandra Quote  
Joined: 05/10/2002

Platinum Member
Platinum Member

Forum Posts:   965

Site Reviews Total: 68
Site Reviews 2024: 1  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 8  
Site Reviews 2021: 19 
Site Reviews 2020: 6  
Site Reviews 2019: 2  
Site Reviews 2018: 2  
Site Nights 2024: 2
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 24
Site Nights 2021: 53
Site Nights 2020: 15
Site Nights 2019: 8
Site Nights 2018: 2

The protected legal characteristic does not apply to those under 18 in this instance.

From the UK Govt Equalities Office UK Government Equalities Office

"The ban does not apply in respect of children aged under 18. This means that people and organisations can continue to provide different services at different rates or on different terms and conditions for children of different ages, or can refuse to serve children – for example, 'no children' hotels can continue as now and newsagents can still restrict the number of children entering their shops.
This ban does not cover age discrimination by employers against employees – such discrimination was banned several years ago and this is not affected by the ban in the provision of services. "


20/7/2021 at 8:02pm
 Location: East Herts
 Outfit: 1992 Elddis Wisp 450CT + X Trail
View Colin21's Profile View Profile   Reply to Colin21 Reply   Quote Colin21 Quote  
Joined: 05/11/2013

Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   6270

Site Reviews Total: 18
Site Reviews 2024: 1  
Site Reviews 2023: 1  
Site Reviews 2022: 2  
Site Reviews 2021: 2  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 2  
Site Reviews 2018: 3  
Site Nights 2024: 7
Site Nights 2023: 8
Site Nights 2022: 12
Site Nights 2021: 18
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 21
Site Nights 2018: 18

Quote: Originally posted by Mitchamitri on 20/7/2021
From a "human rights" point of view its interesting that you can ban certain "protected legal characteristics" from your site even if by law you cant use them to define who you would employ, or by law how the police treat people - age, sexuality, religion, colour etc.   .....I assume you can't ban people by race, sexuality etc. Or can you? I seem to remember a case from a few years ago of a strictly christian (a certain kind of christian as its quite possible to be devout and tolerant - but thats not the point) - B&B where they turned away a gay couple who had booked. I cant remember what happened to that case?

I mean - Adults Only Site.........why, exactly, do you want an adults only site? There's connotations to it that imply a certain sense of compliance that other non conventional parties would not be welcomed.



I'm really not sure what the answer is about your first paragraph, except that it could be a case of one person's human rights conflicting with another's. I have always believed that any retailer has a right to serve or not serve whoever they choose, although I could be wrong. I'm not a lawyer.

Regarding your second paragraph, There are some people who want to go to a site that is peaceful and quiet, without kids running about, screaming, kicking footballs about, riding bikes over their pitches etc. Hence "adults only" campsites to cater for them. I have 7 grandkids, and I love them all, but I know that one of them would probably be a nightmare on a campsite. His parents aren't into camping or caravanning though.


-------------
Best Regards,
Colin


Don't forget to leave a review of the campsites you have visited this year or last!


21/7/2021 at 9:50am
 Location: 
 Outfit: 
View Mitchamitri's Profile View Profile   Reply to Mitchamitri Reply   Quote Mitchamitri Quote  
Joined: 28/6/2018

Gold Member
Gold Member

Forum Posts:   355

Site Reviews Total: 0
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

There are legally protected characteristics in employment it's very interesting how these characteristics don't appear to apply in the wider world. I think they apply more generally in wider law (actually they must do as the Equality Rights Act is all-reaching). These characteristics are:

age.
disability.
gender reassignment.
marriage and civil partnership.
pregnancy and maternity.
race.
religion or belief.
sex.
Sexual orientation

It's ok to use age and sex to dictate who is allowed on your campsite based on a prejudice (sometimes but not always built on experience) about a certain group of people.   Its ok to be biased agaist young people so long as they are under 18, but it doesn't address the groups of same sex people etc.

It's an interesting subject as to why it is ok to select based on qualities that are assumed against a type - much as it's assumed kids run round screaming kicking footballs, or bouncers at the door of a pub wont let in blokes in footie shirts, or the assumptions around trade vans etc.

This is the legal case, I found it:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25119158

Also interesting as "Adults only" site must allow people from aged 18 - you know, the ones who have their music on all hours and fall over your guy ropes drunk then throw up in the loos.

Post last edited on 21/07/2021 10:46:41


Advertisement



21/7/2021 at 3:19pm
 Location: East Herts
 Outfit: 1992 Elddis Wisp 450CT + X Trail
View Colin21's Profile View Profile   Reply to Colin21 Reply   Quote Colin21 Quote  
Joined: 05/11/2013

Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   6270

Site Reviews Total: 18
Site Reviews 2024: 1  
Site Reviews 2023: 1  
Site Reviews 2022: 2  
Site Reviews 2021: 2  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 2  
Site Reviews 2018: 3  
Site Nights 2024: 7
Site Nights 2023: 8
Site Nights 2022: 12
Site Nights 2021: 18
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 21
Site Nights 2018: 18

Yes you do make some very good points there Mitchamitri. I agree it is an interesting subject. Human rights is an incredibly complex subject and must be an absolute minefield to administer, I'm glad I don't have to do it.

What I have always wondered is what happens when one person's human rights come into direct conflict with another person's. The subject is so complex it must happen frequently. I think that is the case here. The site owner surely has the right to accept or decline a booking from anyone who wishes to come onto their land.

When I worked on the buses many years ago I was told by the company that I had an absolute right to refuse to carry anyone I wanted, but advised not to give a reason. I was told to just politely refuse them access.

Yes "Adults only" must allow people from the age of 18, but most will not allow groups of 18 - 25 year olds and most have rules about noise after a certain time. The site we have just come from had notices up saying that noise must be kept to a minimum between 9pm and 9am, and they weren't Adults Only.


-------------
Best Regards,
Colin


21/7/2021 at 4:21pm
 Location: 
 Outfit: 
View Mitchamitri's Profile View Profile   Reply to Mitchamitri Reply   Quote Mitchamitri Quote  
Joined: 28/6/2018

Gold Member
Gold Member

Forum Posts:   355

Site Reviews Total: 0
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

It must have been very difficult - and potentially a minefield - if you needed to refuse someone who had a protected characteristic (obviously for a reason not related to that characteristic).


Don't forget to leave a review of the campsites you have visited this year or last!


21/7/2021 at 5:27pm
 Location: East Herts
 Outfit: 1992 Elddis Wisp 450CT + X Trail
View Colin21's Profile View Profile   Reply to Colin21 Reply   Quote Colin21 Quote  
Joined: 05/11/2013

Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   6270

Site Reviews Total: 18
Site Reviews 2024: 1  
Site Reviews 2023: 1  
Site Reviews 2022: 2  
Site Reviews 2021: 2  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 2  
Site Reviews 2018: 3  
Site Nights 2024: 7
Site Nights 2023: 8
Site Nights 2022: 12
Site Nights 2021: 18
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 21
Site Nights 2018: 18

Fortunately the only person I ever had to refuse was someone who was extremely drunk and being abusive to other people waiting to get on. I was actually thanked by the other passengers for not allowing him onboard.


-------------
Best Regards,
Colin



In order to post a reply you will need to register, or if already registered please log in here

  Prev       Next

Jump To Page:  1  2

Quick Links - All Forums - Campsites and Caravan Parks in the UK - Top of Page

Printer Friendly Version Printable version      Share   Post on X / Twitter  Share on Facebook  Email


Latest News, Discounts and Competitions  see all...














8376 Visitors online !

Free UKCampsite.co.uk Window Sticker  -  Recommend to Friend  -  Add a Missing Campsite

[Message Forums]  [Caravan Sites & Camping]  [Company Listings]  [Features / Advice]  [Virtual Brochure]  [Shop!]
[Reception]  [Competitions]  [Caravans & Motorhomes For Sale]  [Event Diary]  [Contact Us]  [Tent Reviews



Please note we are not responsible for the content of external sites & any reviews represent the author's personal view only. Please report any error here. You may view our privacy and cookie policy and terms and conditions here. All copyrights & other intellectual property rights in the design and content of this web site are reserved to the UKCampsite.co.uk © 1999 - 2024


Advertisement


Advertisement


UKCampsite.co.uk
2024 Advent Calendar


Advent Calendar

24 Daily Prizes PLUS a Christmas Day Star Prize worth £999

Request a Reminder