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22/7/2021 at 8:15pm
 Location: East Herts
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I think it's disgusting people booking sites then simply not turning up. Not turning up and not even notifying the site is inexcusable. I think if I were running a site I would want the money up front on booking, and no refunds except in extreme circumstances.

This is almost certainly why many sites appear to be fully booked when in reality on the day they will have plenty of empty pitches.


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22/7/2021 at 9:12pm
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With the amount of people having to self isolate, with minimal notice, it is inevitable that people won't be able turn up and I expect ringing the site is probably the last thing on their mind,they need to organise food delivery/someone to walk the dog/notify employer and relatives etc.
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22/7/2021 at 10:13pm
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I hate no shows, regardless of the type of event.

I am all for paying a deposit upfront as long as the T&Cs with regard to cancellation is clearly stated at time of booking.

DK

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22/7/2021 at 10:58pm
 Location: East Herts
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Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 22/7/2021
With the amount of people having to self isolate, with minimal notice, it is inevitable that people won't be able turn up and I expect ringing the site is probably the last thing on their mind,they need to organise food delivery/someone to walk the dog/notify employer and relatives etc.
saxo1



You have a point of course, but I would think that it would mainly apply to single people. I know that if either me or my wife had to isolate, we would divide the notifications between us. If we were just about to go on holiday, notifying the site would be one of our first priorities as it would be the main thing on our mind at the time. If one of us was actually taken seriously ill or had a bad accident, that might be different, but just getting a notification when we were both fine, the site would probably be our first priority. Anything else could wait.



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23/7/2021 at 6:42am
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This pre-book and no-show thing has been going on for a while, ever since places started to open up, earlier in the year.
Pub tables... Restaurants... B&B's... now campsites.

People have been "Keeping their options open", but with little to no regard whatsoever, towards the small business owners and fellow customers their no-shows affect most.

I'm not a great fan of deposits... or wasn't pre-covid... but in the current climate, I can fully appreciate why more and more businesses are asking/demanding them, and happy to pay up.

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23/7/2021 at 8:41am
 Location: East Herts
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Quote: Originally posted by Mucker1884 on 23/7/2021
This pre-book and no-show thing has been going on for a while, ever since places started to open up, earlier in the year.
Pub tables... Restaurants... B&B's... now campsites.

People have been "Keeping their options open", but with little to no regard whatsoever, towards the small business owners and fellow customers their no-shows affect most.

I'm not a great fan of deposits... or wasn't pre-covid... but in the current climate, I can fully appreciate why more and more businesses are asking/demanding them, and happy to pay up.



Yes booking and not turning up does hit small businesses. It's bad for other people trying to make a booking too, and being told "sorry we're full up". I am more than happy to pay a deposit, or even the full amount if it's close to the time, as we often are. It would have to be really dire circumstances for us not to turn up when we have booked something, and we would NEVER make two bookings for the same time. That is just plain selfish and inconsiderate, or maybe we are just old-fashioned and that is considered normal these days.


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23/7/2021 at 10:38am
 Location: Devizes Wiltshire
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Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 23/7/2021

Yes booking and not turning up does hit small businesses. It's bad for other people trying to make a booking too, and being told "sorry we're full up". I am more than happy to pay a deposit, or even the full amount if it's close to the time, as we often are. It would have to be really dire circumstances for us not to turn up when we have booked something, and we would NEVER make two bookings for the same time. That is just plain selfish and inconsiderate, or maybe we are just old-fashioned and that is considered normal these days.




Based on my experience as an event organiser, social butterflies who signed up to everything and turn up at just one event at the last minute or none at all, without informing the hosts, were usually female. However, their age ranged from 20s to 70s.

I would exclude no shows from future events that I organise - two strikes and they are out.

It is a bit harsh, however, I cannot tolerate bad manners and inconsideration.

DK


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- 2024 - 10/56 inc. FR & NL
- 2023 - 48 inc. FR
- 2022 - 49
- 2021 - 34
* Ex-tenter & solo female camper *
* Treat life events like a dog: If you can't eat it, play with it, or hump it, p1$$ on it and walk away! *


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23/7/2021 at 2:48pm
 Location: East Herts
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Quote: Originally posted by dk168 on 23/7/2021
Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 23/7/2021

Yes booking and not turning up does hit small businesses. It's bad for other people trying to make a booking too, and being told "sorry we're full up". I am more than happy to pay a deposit, or even the full amount if it's close to the time, as we often are. It would have to be really dire circumstances for us not to turn up when we have booked something, and we would NEVER make two bookings for the same time. That is just plain selfish and inconsiderate, or maybe we are just old-fashioned and that is considered normal these days.




Based on my experience as an event organiser, social butterflies who signed up to everything and turn up at just one event at the last minute or none at all, without informing the hosts, were usually female. However, their age ranged from 20s to 70s.

I would exclude no shows from future events that I organise - two strikes and they are out.

It is a bit harsh, however, I cannot tolerate bad manners and inconsideration.

DK




Not harsh at all DK, I wouldn't even give them two strikes. If someone booked something with me and didn't bother to turn up or even inform me, I wouldn't accept any further bookings from them unless they paid in full up front, and signed a declaration stating that if they didn't turn up they agreed to forfeit their money. Good manners costs nothing.


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21/8/2021 at 10:43am
 Location: Torfaen
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Fact is 4 people staying anywhere if its up to £20pppn then its fine for me. Staying in an apartment somewhere in peak season is going to set you back close to £1k per week (even more). A static caravan is going to be the same or more. Im not sure what people expect really. It is a business and as any business it expects to cover its costs and make a profit.   I dream of weekends away in a nice hotel for the 2 of us and Jeeze thats going to cost arm and a leg!

I do rethink in general the days of cheap this and cheap that have gone we want to pay the staff a decent wage, we want clean toilets, FB & webpage managed.

I priced up going to France and package hols in a nice location and quality for the 4 of us - just cant justify it, Yes, the weather but for our needs it works for us. We will get to France again but with our business we need to get back in an emergency.

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21/8/2021 at 4:26pm
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Totally disagree with booking two sites for same weekend and not ringing up to cancel if you chose one over the other. BUT there are circumstances where cancelling a site may be entirely out of your hands. Here are some that have happened to me en route to a site:

Skidded on black ice avoiding another vehicle and car rolled over 40 foot drop. No signal and then in hospital for hours immobilised and phone still in car.

Ferry broke down and no mobile signal.

Ferry diverted to help with search and rescue which meant I missed the second ferry and had an extra 1.5 hours to travel.

And on more than one occasion stuck by fatal accidents and no signal with road shut for six hours plus and/or long detours – the latest was 161.7 miles with four hours before I could get a signal on any network, plus one’s still trying to make progress towards one’s destination.

OK, I always let the site know where I’m coming from and rough arrival time when booking because the proverbial can happen and usually does at least once a year. And in 19 years, I’ve not been turned away however late I’ve got to the site and only had to sleep in the car onc


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21/8/2021 at 10:28pm
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I absolutely agree Ficklejade that unforeseen circumstances can befall any of us, and it must be especially difficult for someone who lives in an area like yours. However, some people who don't live in those sort of circumstances regularly book multiple sites for the same period, pick one at the last moment, and just don't bother letting the other sites know they aren't coming.

I am always more than willing to put down a deposit for any site I book, as I never book more than one at a time, and barring unforeseen circumstances I always turn up. I offered a deposit to the site we stayed on at the beginning of July, but they just said to pay when we got there. I'm not sure that I would be so generous if I were running a site. Perhaps I'm just an old cynic.


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22/8/2021 at 7:25am
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On the other side of the coin, we recently had a group booking of 6 pitches over a weekend. Some 2 nights, and some 3 nights. We, the two of us on one pitch, subsequently stretched it to 4 nights by paying the extra in cash on site.

The bookings were No deposits, but paid in full 7 days before arrival, all by bank transfers.
Three pitches then had to cancel, during the final 3 day run in.

One cancellation was due to the pitch lead/driver being pinged and had to isolate (so 3 people on same pitch missed out).
The second was two people in caravan, cancelled due to being worried over (and unable to relax on a break away) whilst a close relative was literally rushed in for an unexpected and emergency Liver transplant to keep him alive! (I kid you not!). (Obviously they sat at home, unable to visit, and unable to help/achieve anything other than keep their fingers crossed).
Third cancellation was a solo tenter, also related to said patient, and travelling with case number two, so same thing there!

The site were made aware of the covid ping-related cancellation the day before arrival. They were unaware of the other two cancelled pitches until we arrived on site.
To their credit, and without anyone asking (as refunds were neither priority, nor expected!), the site kindly offered refunds, and subsequently refunded in full... in CASH to me, as the group lead, for me to hand back to the respective payers. (They did give the option of bank transfer refunds, but described cash refund as "Easier, with less paperwork!).

I'd call that a nice gesture at the very least. Above and beyond, even. Certainly unexpected.
So a big shout out, and a massive thanks from my relatives, to the management at Manor Farm, Anderby, Lincs.




*For info, the transplant went as expected, and due to covid worries in hospital, he was home again 5 days later, albeit on strict instruction to go nowhere, and allow no visitors! Latest is he's doing well, and recovery is all going to plan.

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