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28/8/2006 at 6:48pm
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We have just returned from a camping trip to Shropshire. We had chosen an adults only site to spend bank holiday with our 2 best friends and my niece and nephew in law and another niece.We had chosen this site because of it's outstanding reviews on this website.

My 26 year old niece and nephew in law were given a 10 minute lecture when they arrived about how they should behave, no noise, be polite etc, which as far as we can see was based solely on their age as neither me and OH or our friends were greeted like this.He added that he didn't want the caravanners disturbed!

To follow that up on more than one occassion when they went to the toilet (this happened once when I was with them) he appeared outside and watched them all the way back. We were quiet and behaved at all times and I found the assumption of "well they're under 30 must be trouble" very offensive.

There was noise, but it was made by a large group by a caravan who must have drink a year's supply of Carling Black label!

The 4 other tents on the site were on flat land  by the caravans but seperated by a wooden fence but we were placed way a way from anyone on the sloping part of the site right by huge digging works. So all in all were made to feel like lepers.

It rained very heavily and the way to the loos turned into a mud bath for us so we cut through a very large space between 2 caravans to get onto the gravel path to avoid slipping and falling on the mud. My 2 friends were soundly told off by the male owner as he saw them do it adding "you'll disturb the caravanners!"

Also one of the carvanners had a German Shepherd and a Bull Terrier and he never said a word about him allowing them off thier lead even with the Geman Shepherd got close to us.(And yes he was watching)

Ihave submitted a review of this site also adding the positive points of the site (so i wonder if it'll get posted??) but I really believe that the male owner does not want anyone under the age of 40 on his site and has serious issues about people in tents!

We choose to camp in a tent we could easily afford a caravan but we don't want one. That is no critisims of caravanners as each to their own and I am sure those on the site thought we were mad when the torrential rain was pouring down.

This was the first ever camp for one of my nieces and both nieces and nephew in law went home a day early. It was our last camp of the season and it was spoilt it for all of us.

We have been camping for 3 years and always behaved with respect to all as we do in our everyday lives but this man's behaviour was at best age discriminatory and at worst highly questionable. Needless to say we won't be going back there.



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28/8/2006 at 7:11pm
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Yep totally agree - see my post (unwelcoming of Whitchurch about the same site).


28/8/2006 at 8:48pm
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I haven't visited this particular site in the past but as a 25 year old find that yes there is a lot of age discrimination when it comes to camping and all we want to do is enjoy the country side and relax like you said you'll find the majority of the time its the older people who are the ones who get giggly after a few! (sorry not meant as being ageist that is what a holiday is for a giggle.)

Its about time people stopped thinking of us young ones as all being rebels!



28/8/2006 at 9:44pm
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im a caravanner, but totally agree with you,...what was the man's problem ?

26 is hardly immature for pete's sake...the man is completely potty....if some of my family had turned up and been spoken to like that I would surely tackle the owner about his actions. 

he cant of got anything better to do.

Also - we noticed at old oaks couple of weeks ago - group of caravanners together (obviously had too many shandy's = noise)....rest of us in vans and whole field of tents = no noise.....so no its not just tents!



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28/8/2006 at 11:21pm
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I was shocked to read an article in Sept issue of Caravan .... I cant wait to see the responses next month The writer rambles on about how families should be segregated from couples, people with dogs on the whole are angelic (dog owner no kids I bet) and the best bit and I quote "tents and trailer tents should be kept away from caravanners, or an extra distance should be left between he two when they occupy adjacent pitches. We've had breaks spoiled because trailer tents aren't as soundproof caravans and you can hear lots of chatter" Me thinks they should stick to a field on their own away from any human kind, especially the horrendous ones with the audacity to be under canvas chatting to their kids !!

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29/8/2006 at 9:24am
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I've always thought camping is about enjoying the fresh air .... I've stopped being amazed at how often I've seen some caravanners sitting inside on a hot day! But then they've probably stared at us in amazement as we are taking down our tent in the rain!

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29/8/2006 at 12:35pm
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We had the same problem in Diamond Farm ,Brean last year. A friend aged 37yrs and myself then 22yrs checked in-we had the same lecture. I wouldnt mind that much expect the ages of the party were- 4,9, 22,26, 37, 40, 48, and 47-hardly what you could call a bunch of youths!

However when I returned this bank holiday (only went back as there was no pitches left in the area) the same chap was as nice as pie to me -only myself 23yrs and husband aged 27yrs

It really puts you off going whenthey asume your trouble!



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29/8/2006 at 12:47pm
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That is shocking.  Im 33 and I dont recall suddenly becoming more mature or less noisy when I hit 30.

Im also sure that Caravanners are not such a fragile lot that they have to be protected from the evils of a bit of outdoor noise coming from some wicked tenters as they stir up trouble in their sordid plastic dens of vice (um thats the Tenters).

If the said Caravanners are indeed so affected by the gentle chatterings of the "Baby-eating hardcore ravers" in the trailer tent nextdoor as they grill their bangers on the barbie, may I gently suggest that the owners sell up their campsite and open a retirement home.

OK, so im going a little over the top with my description of Tenters (me included) but for Gods sake, you are in the middle of a field with either plastic or plywood/metal to insulate you - their is going to be some noise no matter how considerate the Devil Worshipping Trailer tents owners are. Grrrrrrrr.

What was the site by the way ???  I shall know to avoid in future when im planning my 24hr Pagan rave festival weekends  - Thats a quiet weekend camping to most normal people!

p.s. I hate noise as much as the next person but I am very reasonable about the amount of noise people can make



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29/8/2006 at 1:14pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Ingers on 29/8/2006

What was the site by the way ???  I shall know to avoid in future when im planning my 24hr Pagan rave festival weekends  - Thats a quiet weekend camping to most normal people!

p.s. I hate noise as much as the next person but I am very reasonable about the amount of noise people can make


It was Canal Side near Whitchurch - I was part of the group (at the grand of age of 48 - I'm a terrible tearaway)


29/8/2006 at 7:23pm
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Think it stinks but lets get real.  The age group with the most disposable income at the moment is in fact largely the elderly. (Yes I know there are a percentage that fall through the net before I am lynched, but there are a lot of wealth elderly out there).  If you are owner catering for the wealthiest part of your clientele is sensible.  So that is what is going on!

I actually think with the war time generation I do not begrudge them a penny but the youngsters from 16-25 at the moment are really not treated well. There are no reduced rates for students despite the fact they are badly off these days.  When it comes to gaining access they are not adult but when they have to pay entry fee they are adults.  We have to look after our youngsters they are our future and they will be the ones that will look after us... 



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29/8/2006 at 8:28pm
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I hate sites like that, not that we are noisy or rowdy but you begin to feel paranoid about everything even opening the awning zip !!!! or is it just me  we left a site in Devon because we felt the endless rules and signs were oppresive , most people know how to behave without being told to.Caravan/camping site owners should not forget that we are their bread and butter without us they have..... a field


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29/8/2006 at 9:23pm
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Quote: Originally posted by tentpegjenny on 29/8/2006

Think it stinks but lets get real.  The age group with the most disposable income at the moment is in fact largely the elderly. (Yes I know there are a percentage that fall through the net before I am lynched, but there are a lot of wealth elderly out there).  If you are owner catering for the wealthiest part of your clientele is sensible.  So that is what is going on!

I actually think with the war time generation I do not begrudge them a penny but the youngsters from 16-25 at the moment are really not treated well. There are no reduced rates for students despite the fact they are badly off these days.  When it comes to gaining access they are not adult but when they have to pay entry fee they are adults.  We have to look after our youngsters they are our future and they will be the ones that will look after us... 


Hear, hear.  It seems that our man at Canalside thought three young adults between 19-26 they've gotta be trouble and people can be quick to brand people with same brush.  We forget that not everybody is the same!!



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29/8/2006 at 9:26pm
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Quote: Originally posted by marpin on 29/8/2006
I hate sites like that, not that we are noisy or rowdy but you begin to feel paranoid about everything even opening the awning zip !!!! or is it just me  we left a site in Devon because we felt the endless rules and signs were oppresive , most people know how to behave without being told to.Caravan/camping site owners should not forget that we are their bread and butter without us they have..... a field

 

Yep, that's exactly how we felt and we were even being watched at night which made us feel very paranoid.  It spoilt our weekend!



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29/8/2006 at 9:51pm
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I agree with all of these posts.  We had a pitch at the weekend with a loud group of "thirtysomethings" next to us, who insisted on singing and shouting until 02:30.  The other side were two walkers in their twenties who pitched the smallest of one-man tents and didn't make a sound.

All campsites should be pretty good at spotting the group of 5 or more couples who arrive just to party the weekend away.  However, such a group represents a sound financial deal when compared to me and my children who are only paying £25 per night.



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Quote: Originally posted by Sirius on 29/8/2006

I agree with all of these posts.  We had a pitch at the weekend with a loud group of "thirtysomethings" next to us, who insisted on singing and shouting until 02:30.  The other side were two walkers in their twenties who pitched the smallest of one-man tents and didn't make a sound.

All campsites should be pretty good at spotting the group of 5 or more couples who arrive just to party the weekend away.  However, such a group represents a sound financial deal when compared to me and my children who are only paying £25 per night.


 

Exactly my point.  We were all tucked up asleep by 11pm every night & we had a 19 year old in our group!!



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