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at kelper First of all thanks for taking the time to look your suggestions out for me. I agree about the mummy bags being the norm and the reasons why. Im going to go and physically see the Outwell which was one of the first bags I looked at but I scoffed at the pack size (oh little did I know then!!) Im also going to see some fishing bags to see if they can be compressed down to a reasonable pack size Im not bothered as much about weight as I am pack size. I think the rab Ascent would be too narrow in the footbox, though I have heard of some manufacturers having an additional piece that can be zipped in to increase the room in the bag. I am also going to go back to the Cotswold Outdoor to have another look a the DofE recommended Stratos Bag as I bought the Pulsa 300 tent which is also recommended by the DofE.Thanks Again.