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16/4/2009 at 3:54am
Location: south london
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I am no expert on this but I would guess that the small disposable cylinders would not be able to keep up the pressure long enough to run your equipment. A friend of mine bought a BBQ once and bought a refillable cylinder smaller than the recommended size for the BBQ and it did not work very well.
It might be cheaper and easier to spend your money on a cheap single ring fitting to go on the refillable cylinders you are suggesting. You can then use this in the case of running out of gas.
e.g. this at £7.99 http://www.survival-school.org/Default.aspx?tabid=246&productid=302
This would probably cost less than a new regulator and take up less room. ... and you could always take it on a picnic and have a brew-up!!
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16/4/2009 at 9:33am
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Thanks, unfortunately that's not quite what I'm after (have several already). Let me expand as I didn't really explain fully before.
Ideally, I'd like to be able to run my fridge from a disposable cylinder if I run out of gas in the main one. I'm certainly no expert either, but I reckon a 500g cylinder should keep it running for a couple of days, so would guess that pressure shouldn't be an issue at least for a while (the flame is a lot lower on the fridge than even on the smallest of stoves which the small cylinders have no trouble powering). But, as I say, I don't know much about this, so please somebody correct if that's wrong. If I could also use it to run, eg, a barbecue then that would be a bonus, but not a requirement.
I was hoping there would be some kind of regulator to screw on directly, or perhaps preferably, an adaptor to allow use of an existing screw or clip-on regulator. Or maybe there's another option?
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16/4/2009 at 11:09am
Location: Scotland.
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I have never heard of anyone doing this, have to say. Why not take two big cylinders? I use CampingGaz 907s and a 904, and the 904 is a great back-up cylinder as it doesn't take up a lot of space at all, really. And it can be used to run BBQ or whatever with no problem at all.
I get all my CampinGaz cylindes from the localtip. I smile sweetly and have never been refused yet. I must have got half a dozen this way for myself and friends, often still with gas in them.
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16/4/2009 at 11:34am
Location: Shropshire North Wales borders
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You can't do it, it wouldn't be safe. As Val says, a 904 doesn't take up a lot of space, it's not that much bigger than a CV470.
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16/4/2009 at 2:01pm
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There are various reasons why I want to be able to use disposable cylinders as oppposed to, eg, a 904. If you want to, I can go into them, but I'm not sure that will help.
Caz, are there particular reasons you say you can't do it and it wouldn't be safe? I guess if I could machine the parts myself (which I certainly can't) then it could be done, but maybe no product exists. Would it be safe? It seems easy enough to get adaptors for American disposable cylinders:
Disposable cyliner adaptor
but they have a different connection.
You can also get a regulator that fits a CV470 (produced for Magma barbecues), or, indeed, one for a C206:
C206 Adaptor
The thing is, I'd like to be able to use as many different cylinders as possible, not just be limited to one type. As most things can be adapted to the standard thread, that's what I'd like my regulator to connect to.
Taking another line, what is the connection on a standard threaded disposable cylinder (eg Coleman, Primus)? Does it have a name? Can you get something that screws onto it and has a hose attached? Could I then put something on the other end of the hose which would attach to a regulator?
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16/4/2009 at 3:31pm
Location: leeds
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sounds like the tent i dont want next door sorry but sounds too dodgy for me
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16/4/2009 at 9:22pm
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cant help with an adapter but butane is butane propane is propane .doesnt matter the size of bottle the pressure is the same , ie, butane or propane. must be possible to have one made lots of adapters on market but never seen what you ask for . could be a good market out there . could even fill your own disposables then . thats put cat in with pigeons.
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16/4/2009 at 9:56pm
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I can see what you're trying to do - and I wouldn't have any safety concerns if you could get a proper adapter! Unfortunately I've been around a fair while and have never seen such a thing for camping on this side of the pond! The Camping Gaz one you mention above is for some specific lab equipment!
The only time I've seen hoses connected to cartridges has been for very small camping stoves. Whilst there's penty of those about I think it would be dodgy to try and adapt them (and not sure if they'd give an adequate flow rate anyway even just for the fridge).
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Sorry for the *slight* delay in responding to this, but just in case anyone else is trying to do this, it is perfectly possible.
I did manage to solve the problem about 3 years ago and in fact picked up two different regulators.
The first was from Towler & Staines, although they no longer seem to sell them, but something similar is currently available on Amazon, albeit at twice the price:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cadac-EN417-BBQ-Regulator-Assembly/dp/B00481D8JM
A little surprisingly, I also happened upon one in a German DIY store a short time after I bought the one from T&S.
To go with the regulators, I also have adaptors from various cylinder types to EN417 so I can connect just about any cylinder to any appliance. It works very well - absolutely no problems with the fridge which uses a tiny amount of gas even compared to the smallest stove. Running a barbecue off a 190g pierceable is more challenging, but quite doable by putting the cylinder in a washing up bowl full of cool water which acts as a heat sink, but, after all, it's only in case the main cylinder runs out to avoid having to carry two big bottles around all the time.
To truly enable me to connect any appliance to any cylinder (disposable or otherwise) I've also added quick disconnect couplings to all my appliances and regulators. Of course there are limits to what is practical, but I've certainly more than fulfilled the original aim of being able to run the fringe from a disposable.
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