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23/10/2010 at 3:48pm
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I am a radio safety marshal and need a leisure battery for my second radio, the main one being fed from the car battery.  The radio will be on for about 6-8 hours per session; 2/3 sessions in a weekend.  Being stuck on a Scottish island, getting info can be a bit awkward and I wondered if any of you had advice for a small size battery and charger?

 

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Firstly, what sort of battery do you need. Is it a standard 12V. leisure battery or what? What is the power consumption?

Presumably the main radio is on for a similar amount of time and doesn't drain the vehicle battery, so a well charged secondary battery should last without charging for the weekend. Do you simply need a carager to charge up the battery at home, or is this for charging in the vehicle?

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Do you mean you might want to operate radio for up to 24hrs without charging battery? What sort of radio is it, how much current does it draw? A leisure battery would be better for the job but you will need to get one large enough for the job.

If you are charging it up when you get home, then just slow charging on a normal battery charger will be ok. You can install wiring & relay to charge it in the boot of your car while driving or if you have a towbar with 12n/12s wiring it will already be wired for this.


23/10/2010 at 8:00pm
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It is inadvisable to more than 1/2 discharge a lead acid battery otherwise permanent damage can occur. so for a 110 amp battery you should aim to use  a maximum of 55 amps in any weekend session and recharge as soon as possible.  Until you find out how many amps/ hour your rig uses it is not possible to calculate the size of battery.  My personal preference is to use Elecsol batteries which have a carbon fibre matrix to support the lead and come with a 5 year guarantee.  However they are expensive.

Although you can charge a battery from a cars electrical system and the this method of charging will preserve a batteries life, fuel performance in MPG drops like a stone.

Having seen batteries fail after being charged a few times with a trickle charger I would stringly recommend getting an inteligent charger such as those made by CTEK.  They give a programmed high voltage charge which desulfates the plates preventing battery failure.

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Quote: Originally posted by ficklejade on 23/10/2010

I am a radio safety marshal and need a leisure battery for my second radio, the main one being fed from the car battery.  The radio will be on for about 6-8 hours per session; 2/3 sessions in a weekend.  Being stuck on a Scottish island, getting info can be a bit awkward and I wondered if any of you had advice for a small size battery and charger?

 

Thanks.




why not go the marine way as you dont see many wind turbines on camp sites (saying that i have seen 2 over the years) a bit more outlay but the battery would remain fully charged all the time (depending on the wind but sons in the orkney isles and its windy mostr times )


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28/10/2010 at 6:48pm
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Quote: Originally posted by fatbloke28 on 24/10/2010
Quote: Originally posted by ficklejade on 23/10/2010

I am a radio safety marshal and need a leisure battery for my second radio, the main one being fed from the car battery.  The radio will be on for about 6-8 hours per session; 2/3 sessions in a weekend.  Being stuck on a Scottish island, getting info can be a bit awkward and I wondered if any of you had advice for a small size battery and charger?

 

Thanks.




why not go the marine way as you dont see many wind turbines on camp sites (saying that i have seen 2 over the years) a bit more outlay but the battery would remain fully charged all the time (depending on the wind but sons in the orkney isles and its windy mostr times )

No chance, fatbloke28, been on three rallies this year stuck right on top of bare mountains and not a breath of wind!  I think I've seen more non-turning turbines this year than ever before - could see four wind farms from one location and not one turbine was turning, so don't think it would be that reliable!!

Had some good news though - a couple of mates who are infinitely more knowledgeable than I have been doing some research on mainland for me and I have the luxurious offer of two free leisure batteries and one of their friends who's an automotive engineer is coming over to the island shortly and has a cunning plan!  (He sorted one of my mate's car.)  And no charge if I provide B&B - I like this barter system!!



28/10/2010 at 9:12pm
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yes all those "alternative" methods of generation have their faults unfortunately ,no wind no sun half the time ,you could run up and down holding the turbine above your head in emergencies or run a bright light off another battery to charge your first one off a solar cell


28/10/2010 at 9:33pm
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Have you thought about a dual battery setup for the car?

Most portable radios run about 0.1A or less on receive, and up to 2A on transmit (assuming up to 10W power output and inefficient amplification).

I run a 110Ah Leisure battery for my radio activities. So that's er... forever on receive ... or 50hrs on transmit if I completely drain the battery.

In reality I've NEVER drained that battery, and I am moving to a dual battery system on the car (so I run the engine for a while to charge the battery) as soon as I get a bracket for the second battery.


28/10/2010 at 10:14pm
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Quote: Originally posted by fatbloke28 on 28/10/2010
yes all those "alternative" methods of generation have their faults unfortunately ,no wind no sun half the time ,you could run up and down holding the turbine above your head in emergencies or run a bright light off another battery to charge your first one off a solar cell

Aye well, could do with losing some weight - dog's torn ligaments in his rear offside knee and is strictly limited on walks - it's not doing me any good!

Plenty of wind here tonight - careful - no ferries tomorrow if it keeps up and I put our wheelie bin out early too !



28/10/2010 at 10:19pm
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Quote: Originally posted by andycwb on 28/10/2010
Have you thought about a dual battery setup for the car?

Most portable radios run about 0.1A or less on receive, and up to 2A on transmit (assuming up to 10W power output and inefficient amplification).

I run a 110Ah Leisure battery for my radio activities. So that's er... forever on receive ... or 50hrs on transmit if I completely drain the battery.

In reality I've NEVER drained that battery, and I am moving to a dual battery system on the car (so I run the engine for a while to charge the battery) as soon as I get a bracket for the second battery.
Possibility that.  I can be on duty for up to 16 hours on transmit/receive and I do know some of my radio colleagues have a dual system.  We don't have an automotive electrician here so am asking the one who has worked on my car before about possibilities.  Snag could be cost - not just in system and how it would affect my dual EMUs and insurance under modification clauses - but installing it - he's 100 miles away!


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Have you got a split charging or a smart charge system like a Stering fitted on your vehicle? Another viable alternative is solar panels - a 60w or 80w should give you enough for a "ham" transceiver.

Have a look at Varta truck batteries as well



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Quote: Having seen batteries fail after being charged a few times with a trickle charger I would stringly recommend getting an inteligent charger such as those made by CTEK.  They give a programmed high voltage charge which desulfates the plates preventing battery failure.

Regards Bob




Yes, I would "stringly" recommend CTEK chargers as well. They're not at all ropey! They do cost a bit more than a basic charger, but it's cheaper than having to keep replacing a lead-acid battery.

Our van has a drain from the vehicle battery, which we think is due to the tacho (it was a home-build on an ex commercial van). Left to its own devices it will go flat in about 10 days. The CTEK keeps the battery charged all the time the vehicle is laid up and can be left in place for months without damaging the cells. But if your battery has already gone flat it will have it charged up again very quickly.


02/11/2010 at 10:08am
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What radio's do you run? I'm a  Ham radio user and i have a Icon 706mkiiG Current drain on the 706 is 1.3 to 2.0 amps RX / 20 max amps TX . I have yaesu's too but don't know the drain on those. I use a leisure battery of 170Ah now and every half hour or so i just run the engine for 10 minutes or so and the split charge puts some power back in the battery. I never had a problem with my 110ah doing this. I also run a 100w  6ah solar panel but thats only good in daylight..  Do you use linears too?

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