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30/4/2024 at 12:49pm
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Quote: Originally posted by SoggySteve on 28/4/2024
Quote: Originally posted by Monty15 on 27/4/2024
Back more specifically to OP's question. Just taken a look at a few oven/hobs on the market, and they may not be as camping/EHU friendly as you need!
Firstly regardless of whether you actually have a 16A rated EHU or a lesser rated one (10A MINIMUM required, 6A could not cope!), your extension lead (assuming you have a PROPER one with MCB and RCD) will only cope with a 10A load in total! That means a max load of 2.4kW, you might chance your luck and push that to 2.5kW relying on over rating of MCB and volt drop in cable making it squeak by! Now that means with the ovens I looked at, you could only use the oven OR the hobs, but NOT both together! In fact they would not be suitable to run all out on a domestic 13A socket at home either!
Your other option of separate electric oven and hobs may well leave you with the same total load problem, of not being able to use all at the same time! It needs some careful selection of units and/or selective use on site!
As an alternative, and we've got one as needed on non-EHU sites, there are gas oven/hob units. We've got a Kampa Roastmaster unit, and it's been brilliant over the past 5-6 years. So long as powered by a 'proper' gas cylinder/regulator (not disposables or any low volume restricted source) you can use oven and hobs all at once. Downside, it is a big and heavy lump to transport, and needs a robust table/stand, but in reality only slightly bigger/heavier than many electric units!
Something I thought was worth noting on this advice, specifically voltage drop on an extension cable is, that nobody should be concerned about voltage drop on a cable when powering their van or tent.
Pretty much all of the cables you may buy from a camping shop will have a 2.5mm cable which at 20 meters, or even 50 meters plus, will not have a voltage drop that anyone should be concerned with. Throughout the Uk, or even the EU I have rarely seen anything far under 230vac or too far above 250vac which would travel through an even a much lower core than even 1.5mm cable with a notable voltage drop that should bother anyone. I doubt you would see a voltage drop over a 2.5mm cable more than 0.5 of a volt, if that, at 20m though there are variables based on the integrity/quality of the cable and termination.
The thicker the cable core, the lower the voltage drop so at 2.5mm at 20 meters, it's seriously not worth your attention.
Your mention of the Kampa Roastmaster peaks my interest though as I have been interested in this unit for some time. We have a double hob but the oven definitely appeals to me. Have you reviewed this on the forum before? I always wonder at people's reliance of electricity when you have devices like this that happily run on a bottle of gas..
Post last edited on 28/04/2024 21:06:26
Post last edited on 28/04/2024 21:08:50
I wasn't trying to imply that volt drop would be excessive, but I've seen 230v plenty of times on site, that combined with the overcapacity of the MCB gives a little latitude on what loads you can get away with against theoretical limits.
Think you'll find an awful lot of tenting EHU cables are only 1.5mm cable these days, and shorter lengths! Mine's a good few years old and 2.5mm cable at 25m long, even then you could not assume it would be 2.5mm not 1.5mm, you had to hunt down the good ones! 1.5mm is perfectly adequate for the task in hand unless you really are pushing it hard on a 25m run (theory would suggest a 5v volt drop!), then 2.5 would be better.
Kampa Roastmaster. Can't recall if I ever did a 'proper' review as such (it's some years since acquired!), no specific area on UKCS for equipment reviews to make it findable anyway, but certainly sung it's praises a few times on posts when people have enquired about similar cooking appliances. Plenty of reviews to be had elsewhere and generally pretty good.
It's served us well, full English breakfast for 8 all served at same time has been one of it's regular star turns - try that with just a couple of hobs, oven not only good for cooking, but great for keeping stuff warm (including plates! - NOT plastic ones if it needs saying!!) whilst other stuff still cooking on hob! We've done Pizza, Lasagne (made and cooked from scratch), Dauphinoise potatoes (again from scratch), roasts etc.. It upped our cooking/eating standards, which were already pretty good, quite noticeably!
If you can cope with it's size and weight (460 x 540 x 310 mm, and 15Kg), then a great addition to a camp kitchen. Not a huge problem, but to be taken into account, the fixed windbreaks on 3 sides limit use of oversized pans, so maybe a paella pan or large wok may not fit too well, but we were grateful for them when it came to keeping the burners alight in windy conditions. It also needs a decent stand/table due to size/weight. With 2x 1.5kW rated hobs and the 1kw rated oven, it can chomp through gas quite well if used to capacity, probably not good with a Campingaz (2.75Kg) cylinder! 1kg of propane = 14 kWh, do your own sums to see how gas usage goes. We've used it with a 13Kg propane, also powering a gas fridge, for 5 days, and had plenty of gas left, that was using it for F.E. Brecky and dinner most days with a fair few cuppas too.
It's not cheap these days, we paid around £190, but now looking to be around £240 region!
It's now retired to the sun, and lounging in his outdoors kitchen near the BBQ in a mates Spanish Villa (it was his anyway, and he's moving lock stock and barrel to Spain) so it's days of camping are probably over! Still, my days of tent camping are also quite limited, now I have the caravan! If I were more into tent camping these days, as I used to be, AND had the transporting space, without doubt would happily buy one for myself.
Hope that's some sort of insight into it's pros and cons, if not a 'review'.
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