Yes, avoid the old Paris Peripherique, which is very close to the city centre. And if you find "The Francilienne"( A104/N104) too big a loop and too far out, then there is a midway compromise which is the A 86 ring road around Paris.
Paris is far better provided with ring roads than London - where the North and South Circular roads are a disgrace to our capital city. (Let's see what 2012 Olympics visitors coming to the Crystal Palace caravan site have to say). And, like the rest of France, the roads in the Paris area are improving and increasing all the time. Provided it was outside peak times I would cheerfully go that way. The key is always to know the names of the cities on your route a few hundred kilometres distant and spot those on signs. Bonne Route.
If you are going thru Paris as described, you come down A1, under Charles De Gaulle Airport & follow the signs for Bordeaux, gets you onto A10. Its all dual carriageway. For the return journey come off A10 & follow signs for Lille.
The Peripherique is the ring around the city centre. I can only guess you ended up on that by following a sat nav. Next time switch it off & follow the signs.
Quote: Originally posted by Tentz on 20/6/2011
If you are going thru Paris as described, you come down A1, under Charles De Gaulle Airport & follow the signs for Bordeaux, gets you onto A10. Its all dual carriageway. For the return journey come off A10 & follow signs for Lille.
The Peripherique is the ring around the city centre. I can only guess you ended up on that by following a sat nav. Next time switch it off & follow the signs.
Tentz advice is exactly what a coach driver said to me on Saturday after I asked him which way they were going to the Dordogne (I was seeing my daughter off on a school trip). He said "ignore Satnav and follow signs to Bordeaux and the route takes you around Paris on the A86" (Paris' middle ring road). Additionally he didn't like the Rouen route as there was still too much stopping and starting, roundabouts and single lane roads.
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Monplaisir - Provence
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Quote: Originally posted by OliverDay on 20/6/2011
Tentz advice is exactly what a coach driver said to me on Saturday after I asked him which way they were going to the Dordogne (I was seeing my daughter off on a school trip). He said "ignore Satnav and follow signs to Bordeaux and the route takes you around Paris on the A86" (Paris' middle ring road). Additionally he didn't like the Rouen route as there was still too much stopping and starting, roundabouts and single lane roads.
And the tolls for the coach are being paid for by those hiring it, and not by the driver! He might use an alternative route if he had to find 86 euros (Class 3 tolls for the coach) to get as far as Vierzon!
The one time I tried to find the Peripherique (heading from Le Havre diagonally across Paris), I missed it completely. The first we knew was when we went over a hill and saw the Arc de Triomphe a few hundred metres away :)
Quote: Originally posted by OliverDay on 20/6/2011
Quote: Originally posted by Tentz on 20/6/2011If you are going thru Paris as described, you come down A1, under Charles De Gaulle Airport & follow the signs for Bordeaux, gets you onto A10. Its all dual carriageway. For the return journey come off A10 & follow signs for Lille.
The Peripherique is the ring around the city centre. I can only guess you ended up on that by following a sat nav. Next time switch it off & follow the signs.
Tentz advice is exactly what a coach driver said to me on Saturday after I asked him which way they were going to the Dordogne (I was seeing my daughter off on a school trip). He said "ignore Satnav and follow signs to Bordeaux and the route takes you around Paris on the A86" (Paris' middle ring road). Additionally he didn't like the Rouen route as there was still too much stopping and starting, roundabouts and single lane roads.
The Rouen route is all motorway apart from the bit through Rouen itself which is dual carriageway, has half a dozen roundabouts and a few sets of traffic lights - very easy to navigate and sometimes you even get through all the lights without stopping (we did last year on the way home). I suspect your coach driver did it before the A28 opened a few years ago.
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rouen is fine francilienne is fine peripherique is wow with a caravan stick to the second lane on the right if you have to use this type of jungle warfare and you are pobably ok keep the eyes focussed for the turn off and ignore the whizzbangs either side of you better still drive with your eyes closed and you will be ok!! I have done the peripherique twice, but years ago age softens the mind and the bravado
I knew paris was not easy but when we visited some french friends and because the husband was at work I was asked to drive to the metro i knew it was not easy. Still I survived it and have been back several time albeit we leave the caravan well out.
I've driven a double decker bus round the Arc de Triomphe ... twice!!
C'est magnifique!!
But then, everyone gets out of the way of a double decker .... even the french!!
And the gendarmes just waved me on!
Yes you can tow with a double decker, German etc, coaches often tow trailers to hold bikes & camping gear. The 'Rouen route' does not include the A28 If you are heading for Orleans & A20. The route from Rouen to Orleans is not particularly quick. there are plenty of roundabouts, traffic lights & there are often holdups at peak times.
If you are happy to pay the toll the route thru Paris is better but owning to ruinous cost I always use the route thru Rouen.
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We have taken the Route du Solaie around Paris. We often remember the time all the vehicles on our side of the motorway stopped so that the drivers could get out and watch a convoy of motorcycles on the opposite side!!
You will find that the route via Rouen is cheaper in tolls.
Quote: Originally posted by Val A on 21/6/2011
And the tolls for the coach are being paid for by those hiring it, and not by the driver! He might use an alternative route if he had to find 86 euros (Class 3 tolls for the coach) to get as far as Vierzon!
So the coach company would be €86 in profit if they went via Rouen as its a fixed price to the hirer which ever way the coach goes. But then they would have extra puke to clear up and the added hassle of all that stopping and starting.
------------- Ollie
2016
Monplaisir - Provence
Camping Les Gorges du Loup