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06/10/2014 at 8:16pm
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Well good luck with it. Frikandel & frites on the menu should get the punters in.

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06/10/2014 at 9:49pm
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The issue of dogs is important if you are going to own a small campsite especially if you are expecting a predominantly UK visitor base.

We take our dog throughout Europe in the caravan, of course we only visit sites where dogs are accepted, and we find UK campers/caravanners are the least accepting/tolerant compared to the Dutch and the French.

Other dog owners are the least tolerant....

Last week in SW France on a small Brit owned site there were 8 vans, 50% had dogs, but because of niggles between the dog owners (especially with me) it wasn't a friendly site.

So it is a difficult decision whether to restrict your potential clients or not..


06/10/2014 at 10:24pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Berriow on 06/10/2014
Stuart, your experience is valuable and your posts are the most interesting on here for a long time. But you are tied to your own camp site and not seeing how things are in other places when you are working hard.

We shall tour France again next summer - I see on your website that you are already fully booked for August 2015 but that is not how things are elsewhere. We never book, and in inland France we never need to book. We were absolutely alone at Mornay sur Allier this year. At Huisseau sur Cosson there were only half a dozen others. The French owners at a lovely site at Lalley were working as hard as you, but were in despair about the absence of customers. Municipal sites are closing in many places.

The motorhome owners were nowhere to be seen last summer so must have all parked up in Aires. There they were when we got back to St Pol de Leon - about 50 of them lined up side by side on the sea front road.

I think you have a niche market of English visitors who want a camp site like yours. All credit to you- you have worked hard to build it up. You have every right to be proud of what you have achieved. But as we travel we see a different picture. Look at the three photos which are my gallery images here - empty campsites.

All good wishes to you. I hope things go well for you.






2 out of the 3 sites you mentioned do not seem to have a web site. In this day and age I find it surprising. That's still quite common in France though and it means they are not interested in attracting new customers.
On the other hand, now that I know that they are mostly empty I am intrigued and added one of them to my 'maybe' list - but it is the one with the web site. If I go there I will probably find that so did 500 other campers visiting this forum


06/10/2014 at 11:47pm
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As Stuart has demonstrated campsites that provide that bit extra care will do well. Is the downturn not a reflection of the economy with less French people going on holiday?


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07/10/2014 at 7:46am
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Probably yes, one campsite owner we stayed with this year said this had been his worst season ever - though the September good weather had brought in a flood of late holidaymakers.

Even Disneyland Paris is struggling and has had to be refinanced by the Disney Corporation.

To look up 'out of the way' municipal sites, use the Camping Municipal website - many of those smaller sites will be similarly empty.  You may (as we did) find one that appears to be closed, with just a gardener, who will open up for you, turn the water on, and leave you to it, with a suggestion to just put the money through the letterbox in the gatepost as you leave.



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07/10/2014 at 9:09am
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Quote: Originally posted by garbold on 26/9/2014
Thinking of our recent summer holiday in the Dordogne and have decided that we might like to take the plunge. We are very appreciative of the work involved but it has been a dream of ours for a while. We are not looking at an all singing and dancing campsite but have come accross some small 5/10 pitch sites. Has anybody got any wise words or general tips about this idea ? We are regular visitors to France and can be considered to be francphiles😄 😄


Have you considered working on a site for a season or part time to get a taste of the work involved.


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07/10/2014 at 9:14am
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Quote: Originally posted by garbold on 06/10/2014Thank you all for your valuable inputs...it hasn't put us off! We are waiting on details from a site for sale in the Haute Pyrenees. It has grounds of 22,000 m and has 10 pitches along with a 3 bed house. It is a going concern so hopefully no start costs(or very little) we are looking into the legal stuff and have Dutch friends who can point us in the right direction they themselves run a site.. We are not going make millions we understand that but it's the change of life which is the main driver.



Wish you the very best of luck with it all.

If you are becoming resident in France and owning French property do get a good local lawyer and accountant and ensure you have a French will in place. French tax law is very very different from Uk law and death taxes and laws of testacy are also very different.

Having met Stu + Syb and been to Le Chant I know how much work has gone into making that work for them, and yes I do agree its a bit of a niche site (which there is absolutely nothing wrong with). Must get back and see the new barn at some point and have some more fouee!


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07/10/2014 at 10:12am
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I always liked the idea of running a Campsite until I saw how hard Mr and Mrs Floydfan worked... then I went off the idea very rapidly


07/10/2014 at 1:05pm
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Berriow, thanks for the thumbs up. I believe you've raised an important point. Many campsites open and simply expect they'll be 'found'. In this age of social media, web fora and internet visibility, it's important that these sites raise their profile by keeping up with the times. People like to see where they're going to be spending their holidays (not to mention their cash) these days. I know sites not too far from where I'm sat at the moment that not only don't have a web presence, but scratch their heads as to why they remain empty, when we're at full capacity!

I believe it's less to do with a downturn in our economy, and more to do with visibility, and creative marketing. By that I don't mean advertising yourself to be something you're not - just not being creative enough in the very aspect of the job that perhaps matters the most - advertising/marketing.

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